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Subject: Re: Perfect Position No program can win this game from white even Fritz

Author: Eduard Nemeth

Date: 15:00:04 07/12/02

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On July 12, 2002 at 17:52:53, John Merlino wrote:

>On July 12, 2002 at 17:12:45, Mustafa wrote:
>
>>as i saw games of Nemth and from this position no engine can beat a good human
>>chess player here is the main position...
>>
>>[D]r2q1rk1/p2b1pp1/2nb4/1pp1pPPQ/3pP3/1P4NN/P1P3P1/R3KB1R b KQ - 0 16
>>
>>now a good 1900 player here can white by white no program as black can stop the
>>win even fritz 7 try people any program Black will lose the game try as much as
>>u want.....
>
>This position is already lost, so what's the point? As a matter of fact,
>Chessmaster 9000 announces Mate in 11 after 1:27 on my PIII-600:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/3	-1.99	2996		16...Qa5+ 17.Kf2 Qc3 18.Bd3 Nb4
>0:00	1/4	-1.73	10317		16...Qa5+ 17.Kf2 Qc3 18.Bd3 g6
>					19.Qh6 Nb4
>0:01	1/5	0.00	72073		16...Qa5+ 17.Kd1 Qc3 18.Nf4 Qxa1+
>					19.Kd2 Qc3+ 20.Kd1 f6 21.Qh8+ Kf7
>					22.Qh5+ Kg8
>0:02	1/6	2.60	174619		16...Qa5+ 17.Kd1 g6 18.fxg6 Bg4+
>					19.Qxg4 Qc3 20.Rc1 a6 21.Qh5
>0:09	1/7	2.92	617517		16...Qa5+ 17.Kd1 g6 18.fxg6 Bg4+
>					19.Qxg4 Ne7 20.Nf5 Nxf5 21.Qxf5 Qc3
>0:28	1/8	17.73	2411472		16...Qa5+ 17.Kd1 f6 18.g6 Rfe8
>					19.Nf4 Kf8 20.Nd5 Be6 21.Qh8+ Bg8
>					22.Nxf6 Nb8 23.Qxg8+ Ke7 24.Qxe8+
>					Kxf6 25.Rh5 Qd2+ 26.Kxd2
>1:27	1/9	Mate11	6820409		16...Qa5+ 17.Kd1 f6 18.g6 Rfe8
>					19.Nf4 Kf8 20.Nd5 Be6 21.Qh8+ Bg8
>					22.Nxf6 Nb8 23.Qxg8+ Ke7 24.Qxe8+
>					Kxf6 25.Rh5 Qd2+ 26.Kxd2 Bc7 27.Qf7#
>2:17	1/10	Mate11	10941905	16...Qa5+ 17.Kd1 f6 18.g6 Rfe8
>					19.Nf4 Kf8 20.Nd5 Be6 21.Qh8+ Bg8
>					22.Nxf6 Nb8 23.Qxg8+ Ke7 24.Qxe8+
>					Kxf6 25.Rh5 Qd2+ 26.Kxd2 Bc7 27.Qf7#
>
>So I would say that, by your definition, an even MORE perfect position, and one
>that you should REALLY strive for when playing a computer, would be this one
>(for example):
>
>[D]rn6/p5p1/3bQkP1/1pp1pP1R/4P3/1P1p2N1/P1PK2P1/R4B2 b - -
>
>jm

Yes, the Chessmaster is in tactical positions the BEST program, an the CM see
ever (german: immer) first all such mates!

Thanks,

Eduard

• Re: Perfect Position No program can win this game from white even Fritz stuart taylor 16:39:08 07/13/02
• Re: Perfect Position No program can win this game from white even Fritz John Merlino 15:07:16 07/12/02
  • Re: Games against Chessmaster 6555 Eduard Nemeth 15:41:11 07/12/02
    • Re: Games against Chessmaster 6555 Robert Hyatt 20:26:55 07/12/02
      • Re: Games against Chessmaster 6555 Eduard Nemeth 08:44:44 07/13/02
        • Re: Games against Chessmaster 6555 Robert Hyatt 15:13:21 07/13/02
          • Re: Games against Chessmaster 6555 Eduard Nemeth 15:37:00 07/13/02

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