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Subject: Re: Perfect Position No program can win this game from white even Fritz

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 15:13:21 07/12/02

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On July 12, 2002 at 17:12:45, Mustafa wrote:

>as i saw games of Nemth and from this position no engine can beat a good human
>chess player here is the main position...
>
>[Event "Blitz30"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2001.??.??"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Nemeth"]
>[Black "Shredder 5"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ECO "B20"]
>[Annotator "Ali,Mohammad"]
>[PlyCount "47"]
>[EventDate "2001.??.??"]
>
>1. e4 c5 2. d3 d5 3. Nc3 d4 4. Nce2 Nc6 5. b3 Nf6 6. Ng3 e6 7. Bg5 h6 8. Bd2 b6
>(8... Bd6 {[%eval -56,11] [%emt 0:00:05]} 9. h4 {(Be2) [%emt 0:00:04]} Bxg3 {
>[%eval -125,10] [%emt 0:00:05]} 10. fxg3 {[%emt 0:00:03]} Qd6 {
>[%eval -122,11] [%emt 0:00:02]}) 9. h4 Bd6 10. f4 e5 11. f5 O-O 12. Bg5 Bd7 (
>12... a6 {[%eval -103,10] [%emt 0:00:06]}) 13. Nh3 hxg5 (13... c4 {
>[%eval -138,10] [%emt 0:00:06]}) 14. hxg5 Nxe4 15. dxe4 b5 16. Qh5 Qa5+ (16...
>Qa5+ {[%eval -41,8] [%emt 0:00:13]} 17. Kd1 {(Kf2) [%emt 0:00:03]} g6 {
>[%eval 316,7] [%emt 0:00:08]} 18. Qh6 {(fxg6) [%emt 0:00:02]} d3 {
>[%eval 1391,7] [%emt 0:00:13]} 19. cxd3 {(Ng1) [%emt 0:00:07]} Qc3 {
>[%eval 628,7] [%emt 0:00:04]} 20. Rc1 {[%emt 0:00:06]} Qxd3+ {
>[%eval 1462,7] [%emt 0:00:05]} 21. Bxd3 {[%emt 0:00:01]} c4 {
>[%eval 32762,5] [%emt 0:00:01]} 22. f6 {(Nf4) [%emt 0:00:24]} Bg4+ {
>[%eval 32764,4] [%emt 0:00:00]} 23. Ke1 {(Be2) [%emt 0:00:02]} Bb4+ {
>[%eval 32764,5] [%emt 0:00:00]} 24. Kf2 {(Kf1) [%emt 0:00:01]} Bc5+ {
>[%eval 32764,5] [%emt 0:00:00]} 25. Kf1 {[%emt 0:00:03]} Be2+ {
>[%eval 32765,5] [%emt 0:00:03]} 26. Bxe2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} cxb3 {
>[%eval 32766,2] [%emt 0:00:01]} 27. Qg7# {[%emt 0:00:03]}) (16... Qa5+ {
>[%eval 16,9] [%emt 0:00:03]} 17. Kd1 {(Kf2) [%emt 0:00:04]} Qc3 {
>[%eval 262,9] [%emt 0:00:04]} 18. Nf2 {(Rc1) [%emt 0:00:14]} Qxa1+ {
>[%eval 32761,8] [%emt 0:00:03]} 19. Ke2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} f6 {
>[%eval 32762,7] [%emt 0:00:00]} 20. g6 {[%emt 0:00:02]} d3+ {
>[%eval 32763,21] [%emt 0:00:00]} 21. Nxd3 {(Kd2) [%emt 0:00:02]} Nd4+ {
>[%eval 32764,4] [%emt 0:00:00]} 22. Kf2 {[%emt 0:00:02]} Qe1+ {
>[%eval 32765,25] [%emt 0:00:00]} 23. Kxe1 {(Nxe1) [%emt 0:00:02]} Nxc2+ {
>[%eval 32765,3] [%emt 0:00:00]} 24. Kd2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Nd4 {
>[%eval 32766,26] [%emt 0:00:00]} 25. Qh8# {(Qh7#) [%emt 0:00:02]}) 17. Kd1 {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} g6 (17... g6 {[%eval 353,7] [%emt 0:00:08]} 18. Qh6 {
>(fxg6) [%emt 0:00:02]} d3 {[%eval 1241,7] [%emt 0:00:14]} 19. cxd3 {
>(Ng1) [%emt 0:00:01]} Be6 {[%eval 837,8] [%emt 0:00:13]} 20. f6 {
>(Ng1) [%emt 0:00:03]} Bxb3+ {[%eval 32760,8] [%emt 0:00:05]} 21. axb3 {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} (21. Ke2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nd4+ {[%eval 32761,7] [%emt 0:00:02]}
>22. Ke3 {(Kf2) [%emt 0:00:02]} Nc2+ {[%eval 32762,7] [%emt 0:00:00]} 23. Kf3 {
>(Kf2) [%emt 0:00:02]} Nd4+ {[%eval 32762,7] [%emt 0:00:00]} 24. Kg4 {
>(Kf2) [%emt 0:00:01]} Be6+ {[%eval 32763,7] [%emt 0:00:00]} 25. Nf5 {
>(Kh4) [%emt 0:00:03]} Nxf5 {[%eval 587,7] [%emt 0:00:03]} 26. exf5 {
>[%emt 0:00:02]} Qa4+ {[%eval 32760,8] [%emt 0:00:08]} 27. Kf3 {
>(Kg3) [%emt 0:00:01]} e4+ {[%eval 0,9] [%emt 0:00:04]} 28. Kf2 {
>(Ke3) [%emt 0:00:02]} Qd4+ {[%eval -569,7] [%emt 0:00:02]} 29. Ke1 {
>[%emt 0:00:02]} Qxa1+ {[%eval -566,7] [%emt 0:00:00]} 30. Ke2 {
>(Kf2) [%emt 0:00:02]} exd3+ {[%eval -834,7] [%emt 0:00:01]} 31. Ke3 {
>(Kd2) [%emt 0:00:01]} Qe1+ {[%eval -32764,3] [%emt 0:00:00]} 32. Kf3 {
>[%emt 0:00:03]} Bd5+ {[%eval -32765,2] [%emt 0:00:03]}) (21. Ke2 {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} Nd4+ {[%eval 32760,7] [%emt 0:00:01]} 22. Kf2 {[%emt 0:00:04]}
>Qd2+ {[%eval 32763,7] [%emt 0:00:00]} 23. Kg1 {(Ne2) [%emt 0:00:07]} Qe3+ {
>[%eval 32762,7] [%emt 0:00:00]} 24. Nf2 {[%emt 0:00:07]} Ne2+ {
>[%eval 32764,7] [%emt 0:00:07]} 25. Bxe2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Qc1+ {
>[%eval 32765,5] [%emt 0:00:01]} 26. Rxc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bxa2 {
>[%eval 32766,2] [%emt 0:00:01]} 27. Qg7# {[%emt 0:00:02]}) 21... Qxa1+ {
>[%eval 32760,8] [%emt 0:00:01]} 22. Ke2 {(Kd2) [%emt 0:00:01]} Nd4+ {
>[%eval 32759,8] [%emt 0:00:02]} 23. Kd2 {(Kf2) [%emt 0:00:10]} Qb2+ {
>[%eval 32757,9] [%emt 0:00:07]} 24. Ke1 {(Ke3) [%emt 0:00:08]} Nc2+ {
>[%eval 32759,9] [%emt 0:00:03]} 25. Ke2 {(Kf2) [%emt 0:00:03]} Nd4+ {
>[%eval 32760,8] [%emt 0:00:00]} 26. Ke1 {(Ke3) [%emt 0:00:05]}) 18. Qh6 Qc3 19.
>Nf2 Qxa1+ 20. Ke2 d3+ 21. Kd2 Qc3+ 22. Kxc3 b4+ 23. Kb2 Bxf5 24. Qh8# 1-0
>
>[D]r2q1rk1/p2b1pp1/2nb4/1pp1pPPQ/3pP3/1P4NN/P1P3P1/R3KB1R b KQ - 0 16
>
>now a good 1900 player here can white by white no program as black can stop the
>win even fritz 7 try people any program Black will lose the game try as much as
>u want.....


Of course, a good program will _never_ get into this position in the first
place, so then it becomes moot.



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