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Subject: Re: To Bob Hyatt on GM vs computer Games

Author: Amir Ban

Date: 04:22:45 08/09/98

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On August 09, 1998 at 06:59:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 09, 1998 at 04:49:35, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>On August 08, 1998 at 19:16:57, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Crafty Scored 7wins 2losses and 1 draw in the last 10 games played by IM
>>>Commons.(i guess the last 10) This is a player who knows how to beat chess
>>>computers, and I'm sure knows crafty as well as any player. And the games were
>>>play at fairly slow time control for ICC. I find it hard to understand why you
>>>think crafty is no better then 2400 at 40/2. I just can't see IM Commons playing
>>>that much better at 40/2 and crafty just falling apart. I think crafty would
>>>still win play IM Commons at 40/2.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>There's a huge difference between fast blitz and longer time controls. In blitz,
>>those humans who are not super-human calculators (some of them are), simply
>>don't have time to work things out, and it becomes a question if they are able
>>to get through the game without making an elementary tactical blunder.
>>
>>This is not what happens in long time-controls. I played quite a few tournament
>>games against masters (or above), and I remember only one game where the master
>>lost because of a simple tactical error (IM Alik Gershon). Masters are not
>>tactical weaklings, and they usually manage ok, even in complex situations.
>>
>>If you look through the games, you'll see what I mean. Game 2 is just a
>>mouse-slip (this only happens on ICC), in a won position. Game 4 is an
>>elementary blunder, and so on. Once you get to around 15 min/game, such idiocies
>>disappear, and it becomes more like chess.
>>
>>Amir
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>Note that all of these games were played at 20 10 (20 minutes on the clock,
>10 seconds added after each move.)  But to call them "serious" is certainly
>a misnomer...

Didn't notice this before, but now that you mention this I looked again:

According to the pgn the first five were 5+3, and the others 15+15, 15+3, 15+15,
20+5, 20+10.

In the short 5 the score was 5-0 to crafty. In the longer 5 the score was
2.5-2.5.

Seems like a definite trend.

Amir



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