Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 05:48:42 08/09/98
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On August 09, 1998 at 07:22:45, Amir Ban wrote: >On August 09, 1998 at 06:59:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 09, 1998 at 04:49:35, Amir Ban wrote: >> >>>On August 08, 1998 at 19:16:57, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Crafty Scored 7wins 2losses and 1 draw in the last 10 games played by IM >>>>Commons.(i guess the last 10) This is a player who knows how to beat chess >>>>computers, and I'm sure knows crafty as well as any player. And the games were >>>>play at fairly slow time control for ICC. I find it hard to understand why you >>>>think crafty is no better then 2400 at 40/2. I just can't see IM Commons playing >>>>that much better at 40/2 and crafty just falling apart. I think crafty would >>>>still win play IM Commons at 40/2. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>There's a huge difference between fast blitz and longer time controls. In blitz, >>>those humans who are not super-human calculators (some of them are), simply >>>don't have time to work things out, and it becomes a question if they are able >>>to get through the game without making an elementary tactical blunder. >>> >>>This is not what happens in long time-controls. I played quite a few tournament >>>games against masters (or above), and I remember only one game where the master >>>lost because of a simple tactical error (IM Alik Gershon). Masters are not >>>tactical weaklings, and they usually manage ok, even in complex situations. >>> >>>If you look through the games, you'll see what I mean. Game 2 is just a >>>mouse-slip (this only happens on ICC), in a won position. Game 4 is an >>>elementary blunder, and so on. Once you get to around 15 min/game, such idiocies >>>disappear, and it becomes more like chess. >>> >>>Amir >> >> >> >> >>Note that all of these games were played at 20 10 (20 minutes on the clock, >>10 seconds added after each move.) But to call them "serious" is certainly >>a misnomer... > >Didn't notice this before, but now that you mention this I looked again: > >According to the pgn the first five were 5+3, and the others 15+15, 15+3, 15+15, >20+5, 20+10. > >In the short 5 the score was 5-0 to crafty. In the longer 5 the score was >2.5-2.5. > >Seems like a definite trend. > >Amir I didn't notice the times in the pgn either... the last 30 games or so between Kim and Crafty are all 20 10... with the results I had previously summarized... I just wrote a short shell script to extract the first N games from the last 2 months history... I'll grab some more this afternoon and only include 20 10... Bob
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