Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 02:53:01 10/24/02
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On October 24, 2002 at 00:17:46, Russell Reagan wrote: >On October 23, 2002 at 07:11:53, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > >>World Amateur Champion 2002 is not good enough? > >Maybe our definitions of "amateur" differ. In computer chess, I have always >thought it meant "not commercial", which rules out any possibility of Diep >winning this title. > >Russell Then everyone who has been on some stupid cdrom, even if it is a 'freeware' cdrom would have to pay $500 entry fee according to your definition. Of course that's nice for Levy to pay his bills, but how many entries do you get. 4? At least a 25% chance for a medal spot... Only if a product very clearly lies under that name in a supermarket i would argue it to be commercial. Even then i find the entry fees exorbitant blackmail. Skipping some nonsense of Levy there: they also get around $50000 'organisation costs'. From my viewpoint that's plenty. I organize bigger events for only 1/5 of that price; thereby knowing that the tournament hall is then one of the bigger costs and exactly *that* is what the ICGA gets for free. For me the decision to join when i have to pay $500 entry fee, is pretty simple. I most likely don't join then. If Levy can get 50k from a sponsor, that's ok for me. His business. If he doesn't get it. Bad luck. Argument is that the $50k also has to pay for the ICGA magazine. I already clearly showed for what price you can make this. Of course i have also some experience there, with a few other magazines, so i don't let me get fooled. That keeps left from the magazine fees also quite some money. From that they pay a salary to someone doing the ICGA activities. Fine with me. But then still that $50k from the sponsor is not getting used at all. My argument is that they are a paid organization, and simply earn less if they manage to get less sponsor money. That's their choice, don't let participants pay the price for that. Right now the solution is already a bit unclear. With regard to most selling their stuff, like winboard cdroms. Or like DIEP. No i don't sell diep at the moment. I wait till i have some windows version released. I do not see how THAT makes me paying $500. Johan de Koning doesn't join world champs he says because he has to pay $500. Now if he doesn't join under Chessmaster but under 'The King', then there is an argument to say he has to pay $250. But now his viewpoint is probably that chessmaster has to pay that $500 entry fee. If such entry fees were not there, then Johan simply has no excuse to not join. I prefer giving Johan no excuse to not join. I don't want to be involved in principal viewpoints on who from the 2 has to pay. My viewpoint is easy: they earn a shitload of money on the event already, if they do no effort to get more members for ICCA journal (i cannot remember any marketing they make for the journal) that's their problem. If they CAN get more money from a sponsor because the event is getting seen as relevant, then that's their effort, their earnings. But WHY would i pay $500 entry fee. If they buy DIEP one day, they don't need to pay $500 either!
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