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Subject: Re: Is the Crafty-Sjeng match complete?

Author: James Swafford

Date: 12:30:20 11/08/02

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On November 08, 2002 at 15:15:43, Ricardo Gibert wrote:

>On November 08, 2002 at 14:41:34, James Swafford wrote:
>
>>
>>Sorry if this is old news... I don't get much time to
>>read the posts these days.
>>
>>Crafty and Sjeng played a 5 3 match the other day which
>>ended in favor of Crafty.  Have they played since?
>>I'd like to know if GCP's claim that Sjeng is stronger
>>is true.
>>
>>My guess is the engines are pretty close, but I'm not yet
>>convinced Sjeng is stronger.
>>
>>--
>>James
>
>Last thing I heard sounded like a comedy of errors. GCP inadvertantly used the
>"Tal" personality, which was not intended for comp-comp play. Sjeng fell behind
>in the first series of games as a consequence. GCP corrected this and Sjeng held
>its own thereafter. However, RH discovered he had inadvertantly used an
>experimental version not ready for ICC play! Consequently, all those games
>appeared to be meaningless.

Right.  I'd like to see GCP and Bob get "the best they got" and
play a no excuses match.  Winner gets bragging rights.  I don't
feel like anything has been settled yet, just two people both
claiming their engine is stronger than the other's.  Should be
easy to settle.

GCP has stated (at least) twice that I can see for myself when
it's released, but I'd rather see a public match.  They are much
more interesting (and less time consuming on my part :) ).

--
James



>
>I just now looked at Sjeng's history on ICC and got the following:
>
> Recent games of Sjeng:
>
>                      Opponent     Type         ECO End Date
>    18: + 2828 W 2676 crafty       [ br  5   3] C42 Mat Nov 07 02 16:14
>    17: + 2818 B 2686 crafty       [ br  5   3] B26 Mat Nov 07 02 15:59
>    16: + 2807 W 2697 crafty       [ br  5   3] C42 Mat Nov 07 02 15:32
>    15: + 2795 B 2709 crafty       [ br  5   3] B61 Mat Nov 07 02 15:19
>    14: a 2782 B 2722 crafty       [ br  5   3] A00 Sho Nov 07 02 15:17
>    13: + 2782 W 2722 crafty       [ br  5   3] B01 Mat Nov 07 02 14:53
>    12: = 2767 B 2737 crafty       [ br  5   3] D66 Rep Nov 07 02 14:40
>    11: + 2769 W 2735 crafty       [ br  5   3] C42 Mat Nov 07 02 14:21
>    10: = 2753 B 2751 crafty       [ br  5   3] D00 Rep Nov 07 02 13:57
>     9: + 2753 W 2751 crafty       [ br  5   3] C42 Mat Nov 07 02 13:38
>     8: - 2735 W 2792 TombRaider   [ br  3   3] B22 Res Nov 07 02 12:30
>     7: + 2750 B 2759 crafty       [ br  5   3] B84 Mat Nov 07 02 06:46
>     6: = 2732 W 2777 crafty       [ br  5   3] D45 Rep Nov 07 02 06:23
>     5: = 2730 B 2779 crafty       [ br  5   3] B84 Agr Nov 07 02 06:08
>     4: = 2728 W 2781 crafty       [ br  5   3] D46 Agr Nov 07 02 05:54
>     3: = 2725 B 2784 crafty       [ br  5   3] D45 Agr Nov 07 02 05:40
>     2: - 2722 W 2787 crafty       [ br  5   3] D46 Mat Nov 07 02 05:25
>     1: = 2736 B 2773 crafty       [ br  5   3] B84 Agr Nov 07 02 05:12
>     0: + 2734 W 2775 crafty       [ br  5   3] C96 Mat Nov 07 02 04:54
>    99: = 2714 B 2795 crafty       [ br  5   3] B81 Rep Nov 07 02 04:44
>
>This shows Crafty being handed its head in the most of the most recent games
>near the top. Considering the errors that were made in conducting this match, I
>would not draw any conclusions from this at all...except that running a match on
>ICC appears to be quite challenging ;-)



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