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Subject: Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then....

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 16:52:42 02/03/03

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On February 03, 2003 at 19:49:28, Sune Fischer wrote:

>On February 03, 2003 at 19:41:03, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On February 03, 2003 at 19:33:55, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>
>>>On February 03, 2003 at 19:05:27, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 03, 2003 at 18:54:54, Peter Hegger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>...how is it that they now consistently play at the 2700-2800 level? Against
>>>>>Kramnik (2810), against Bareev (2729), and now against Kasparov (2807), a
>>>>>program is turning in a 2807 performance and very much _holding its own_
>>>>>Calling any modern program a 2500 player is akin to calling the above mentioned
>>>>>super GM's 2500 players.
>>>>>It also looks to me as though the SSDF list is getting closer to the reality of
>>>>>the true state of program prowess than (admittedly) it use to be.
>>>>>Any comments welcome.
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Peter
>>>>
>>>>A pity that you do not read.   Show events are NOT a possible tool to calculate
>>>>the strength.   And hard competition doesn't exist.   That's it.   I still hold
>>>>that comps are 2400 at best in fierce tournament chess.
>>>
>>>All top  chess tournaments are show events, so is every superbowl match, in fact
>>>every sport with spectators is a show event. You can't conclude from this that
>>>what you are seeing is not real.
>>
>>You mix up what I said. Ok, if you want with spectators call it show event. But
>>that was not what I meant. If you define all as show then we must find two new
>>definitions for shows like now and simuls for instance and a term for fierce
>>tournament chess! What I said was connected to real tournament chess WITH
>>participation of comps. Hope this helps.
>>
>>Rolf Tueschen
>
>Okay I get it, I would like to see a broader range of opponents too but I don't
>think DJ would perform _worse_ under those conditions.
>
>In this "show event" Kasparov and co. can focus on one single opponent entirely,
> prepare each game optimally.
>From game to game Kasparov will know more and more of his opponent, finding its
>weaknesses. That should be an advantage for Kasparov, not the DJ team that,
>according to the rules, can only change the opening book.
>
>-S.


Yes. Of course. Alas, the mean computer experts have invented the 6 games
"matches" and that is too short to exploit and harvest. Let them play 48 games
with the same machine of course. Promissed?

:)

Rolf Tueschen



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