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Subject: Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then....

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 05:07:40 02/04/03

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On February 04, 2003 at 01:42:21, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On February 03, 2003 at 19:05:27, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On February 03, 2003 at 18:54:54, Peter Hegger wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>...how is it that they now consistently play at the 2700-2800 level? Against
>>>Kramnik (2810), against Bareev (2729), and now against Kasparov (2807), a
>>>program is turning in a 2807 performance and very much _holding its own_
>>>Calling any modern program a 2500 player is akin to calling the above mentioned
>>>super GM's 2500 players.
>>>It also looks to me as though the SSDF list is getting closer to the reality of
>>>the true state of program prowess than (admittedly) it use to be.
>>>Any comments welcome.
>>>Regards,
>>>Peter
>>
>>A pity that you do not read.   Show events are NOT a possible tool to calculate
>>the strength.   And hard competition doesn't exist.   That's it.   I still hold
>>that comps are 2400 at best in fierce tournament chess.
>>
>>
>>Rolf Tueschen
>
>Hi Rolf
>I agree for the simple reason that spoken for myself (1980-200O ELO) I still get
>a score of about 30 percent vs the top programs, of course without playing
>anticomputerchess. And if the comps should have 2700 ELO and more, it would
>almost be impossible for me to get a draw. Please also have a look at
>http://www.skpfaeffikon.ch/Utzinger/Downloads/MyChessViewer/man.htm
>Kurt

I do not know.

It is possible that you can get also 30% against 2700 players and it is also
possible that your style is better against computers.

It is possible that a player has a style that let him to get 50% against 2000
players and 30% against 2700 players.

I have similiar elo to your elo but I do not think that I can get 30% against
the top programs.

It may be interesting to know how much can you get against Movei without special
anti computer style(Movei is not at the level that it can get 30% against the
top programs).

Uri



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