Author: Kurt Utzinger
Date: 05:22:28 02/04/03
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On February 04, 2003 at 08:07:40, Uri Blass wrote: >On February 04, 2003 at 01:42:21, Kurt Utzinger wrote: > >>On February 03, 2003 at 19:05:27, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>>On February 03, 2003 at 18:54:54, Peter Hegger wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>...how is it that they now consistently play at the 2700-2800 level? Against >>>>Kramnik (2810), against Bareev (2729), and now against Kasparov (2807), a >>>>program is turning in a 2807 performance and very much _holding its own_ >>>>Calling any modern program a 2500 player is akin to calling the above mentioned >>>>super GM's 2500 players. >>>>It also looks to me as though the SSDF list is getting closer to the reality of >>>>the true state of program prowess than (admittedly) it use to be. >>>>Any comments welcome. >>>>Regards, >>>>Peter >>> >>>A pity that you do not read. Show events are NOT a possible tool to calculate >>>the strength. And hard competition doesn't exist. That's it. I still hold >>>that comps are 2400 at best in fierce tournament chess. >>> >>> >>>Rolf Tueschen >> >>Hi Rolf >>I agree for the simple reason that spoken for myself (1980-200O ELO) I still get >>a score of about 30 percent vs the top programs, of course without playing >>anticomputerchess. And if the comps should have 2700 ELO and more, it would >>almost be impossible for me to get a draw. Please also have a look at >>http://www.skpfaeffikon.ch/Utzinger/Downloads/MyChessViewer/man.htm >>Kurt > >I do not know. > >It is possible that you can get also 30% against 2700 players and it is also >possible that your style is better against computers. > >It is possible that a player has a style that let him to get 50% against 2000 >players and 30% against 2700 players. > >I have similiar elo to your elo but I do not think that I can get 30% against >the top programs. > >It may be interesting to know how much can you get against Movei without special >anti computer style(Movei is not at the level that it can get 30% against the >top programs). > >Uri Never would I get 30 % against 2700 players, that's the point I argue that something must be wrong with the high ELO ratings of the top programs. If I find the time I would like to make the following experiment: let play a well known (top solid) club collegue with over 2100 ELO vs some top programs. I am almost sure he will not lose more than 4-6. This man is much stronger than myself but has somewhat the same quiet style, being able to hold a position balanced. And as to Movei: it could happen that my results are worse than vs Fritz8, Shredder7 and so on. To demonstrate what I mean the following example: My feared opponent is the good old MchessPro 8.0 with one single draw for me out of six games!! Kurt
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