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Subject: Re: why don't people understand that ratings are relative

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:53:54 02/19/03

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On February 19, 2003 at 05:08:24, Sune Fischer wrote:

>On February 18, 2003 at 23:34:50, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 18, 2003 at 05:21:00, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>
>>>On February 18, 2003 at 04:38:32, Alastair Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 17, 2003 at 14:41:34, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the elo system has no defined 0.  results are only defined in terms of wins and
>>>>>losses.  For example, suppose one defined the average elo to be 1600, and placed
>>>>>Kramnik, Kasparov, and Shirov in a room together and had them play 5000 games.
>>>>>Kasparov's rating would be 1650 at best.  Or we could define the 0 to be 0 -
>>>>>Kasparov would have a rating of 1200, and some people would have negative
>>>>>rating!  The whole thing is just like potential energy in physics: only
>>>>>differences in the rating system are meaningful.
>>>>
>>>>Excellent explanation, and there is also the Flynn effect (such rating systems
>>>>tend to progressively inflate the numbers over time), which I believe has never
>>>>been explained.
>>>
>>>How do you know they inflate if you can't compare them?
>>>
>>>-S.
>>>
>>
>>One simple idea is to compare the "average" rating for the pool, over
>>time.  IE the average "IQ" is not going up, so the average rating should
>>not go up since it is a relative measure among the pool members.  If it does
>>go up, it has to be inflation since not _everybody_ is going to improve
>>steadily...
>>
>
>Perhaps, I think those that play chess today has an easier time getting a game
>going (via Internet or own programs), so it is possible that they improve faster
>than 20 years ago where the only option was to play once a week down in the
>local club.
>
>-S.


they may improve _faster_ but the overall chess population won't improve.  It
_can't_.
If everyone improves the ratings _must_ stay the same for the average.  If they
don't,
there is inflation.  The inflation comes in with new players .



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