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Subject: Re: Will Dell Axim x5 (400 mhz 64mb sdram ) andance suport pocket fritz ?

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 13:58:30 10/17/03

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On October 17, 2003 at 15:33:17, Mike Byrne wrote:

>On October 17, 2003 at 14:53:35, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>>On October 17, 2003 at 12:58:17, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>
>>>On October 17, 2003 at 11:47:58, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 17, 2003 at 09:55:19, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 17, 2003 at 08:54:58, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On October 17, 2003 at 06:42:23, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On October 17, 2003 at 05:34:01, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On October 16, 2003 at 22:45:51, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On October 16, 2003 at 17:31:58, Joseph Merolle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If so what can I exspect its rating to be in a 40 in 2. Any help would be
>>>>>>>>>>greatly apriciated. Chessbase is not really to clear what it can play on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Regards Joseph
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>PF2 with patch works great on Axim - as does Pocket Grandmaster and Chess
>>>>>>>>>Genius.  PF1 (the first edition) will NOT work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I played 5 games at Game 30/ PF2 vs Chess Genius 3 (Circa 1993/1994) on a Dell
>>>>>>>>>P4 1.7 Ghz Xeon - it stands at 2-1-2 in favor of PF2.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>SSDF:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Genius 3.0 Pentium 90 MHz               2309   26   -25   785   61%  2229
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>My machine is maybe 12-16x or even faster of P90.  16x=2^4.  Assume 50 points
>>>>>>>>>(low) for doubling or 4x50=200.  My estimate is that the latest Axim running
>>>>>>>>>PF2, PGM or PCG is around 2500 SSDF.  I also do NOT believe in adding 200 points
>>>>>>>>>to SSDF to get to USCF.  Who knows what the comnversion factor would be - , it
>>>>>>>>>may even be close to equal - but it's not add 200 to get USCF.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sorry Mike,
>>>>>>>>my guesstimate is that PF2 and Ruffian are still stronger than PCG 1.5 at
>>>>>>>>time controls >= 15 min for the game.
>>>>>>>>The chess engine only has been optimized for the Xscale.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I should qualify my comments - on my machine (Dell Axim) with WM 2003 and ROM 05
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >- they are close ..too close for me to call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You explicit mentioned SSDF so we talk about tournament time control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Shredder 7 UCI 450 Mhz has 2717 SSDF ElO
>>>>>>Chess Genius 6.5 450 MHz has 2476 SSDF ELO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Shredder 7 had TBs in the search and and and ..., so maybe the difference is
>>>>>>only 200 points.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To be close now on a Dell Axim would mean SMK did a lousy porting job with
>>>>>>PF2(updated).
>>>>>>Seems unlikely to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>you are assuming the engine Genius 6.5 is the same as CG 1.5 --- I do not think
>>>>>it is based on problems I have given to both.
>>>>
>>>>I didn't assume that. Even if Lang had a major rewrite of his program it seems
>>>>impossible that he has closed the gap.
>>>>The ability to solve many testpositions fast is fine but not most important.
>>>>
>>>>Btw, I have an Axim with ROM A01 German and PF2 seems to work fine there.
>>>>@ 400MHz 16MB I get typically 20000-25000 nps in the early middlegame and
>>>>21000 nps after 30 sec in the start position.
>>>
>>>That's my point - with ROM A05 and Wm 2003, 1.5 greatly increases nps over 1.4
>>>on PPC 2002 and ROM A01
>>
>>I have a new Dell Axim with ROM A01 German and Wm 2003, not Pocket PC 2002.
>>The German ROMs seem to have different names than the English ROMs.
>>I have a ROM version: A01 (07190300GE)
>>What is your number A05 (...) ?
>>
>>There exists also an older ROM version A01 Germany (04100300GE)
>>which can be compared with the old A01 English (04100300EN).
>>
>>http://www.pcsystemservice.de/treiber_downloads.php
>>
>> -- do you have Cg 1.5 ? - it has nps option runs some
>>>tests and we can compare.  Seeing is believeing.  If you have CG, Richard has a
>>>special version of 1.4 that has nps in hex format . email him for the test copy.
>>
>>No, I have only an old Genius 6.
>
>I'm talking about Pocket Genius

Yes, I know

 - do you have that?

No, I have Pocket Grandmaster 2.1 and PF2 installed on my device so far.
So we could only compare with that. I hope there would be not much difference
unless you overclock your Axim of course.

I get only 23500 nps with Ruffian 1.0.4 (8MB) after 30 sec.
On desktops Ruffian shows usually 3x the knps of Shredder 7 in a position.
On Pocket PCs the knps are almost equal.

Michael

>
>
>>My numbers are from PocketFritz 2 Analysis mode.
>>
>>Michael
>>
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>>>>
>>>>Michael
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>>>>Michael



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