Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 13:58:30 10/17/03
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On October 17, 2003 at 15:33:17, Mike Byrne wrote: >On October 17, 2003 at 14:53:35, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On October 17, 2003 at 12:58:17, Mike Byrne wrote: >> >>>On October 17, 2003 at 11:47:58, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>> >>>>On October 17, 2003 at 09:55:19, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 17, 2003 at 08:54:58, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 17, 2003 at 06:42:23, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On October 17, 2003 at 05:34:01, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On October 16, 2003 at 22:45:51, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On October 16, 2003 at 17:31:58, Joseph Merolle wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>If so what can I exspect its rating to be in a 40 in 2. Any help would be >>>>>>>>>>greatly apriciated. Chessbase is not really to clear what it can play on. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Regards Joseph >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>PF2 with patch works great on Axim - as does Pocket Grandmaster and Chess >>>>>>>>>Genius. PF1 (the first edition) will NOT work. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I played 5 games at Game 30/ PF2 vs Chess Genius 3 (Circa 1993/1994) on a Dell >>>>>>>>>P4 1.7 Ghz Xeon - it stands at 2-1-2 in favor of PF2. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>SSDF: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Genius 3.0 Pentium 90 MHz 2309 26 -25 785 61% 2229 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>My machine is maybe 12-16x or even faster of P90. 16x=2^4. Assume 50 points >>>>>>>>>(low) for doubling or 4x50=200. My estimate is that the latest Axim running >>>>>>>>>PF2, PGM or PCG is around 2500 SSDF. I also do NOT believe in adding 200 points >>>>>>>>>to SSDF to get to USCF. Who knows what the comnversion factor would be - , it >>>>>>>>>may even be close to equal - but it's not add 200 to get USCF. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sorry Mike, >>>>>>>>my guesstimate is that PF2 and Ruffian are still stronger than PCG 1.5 at >>>>>>>>time controls >= 15 min for the game. >>>>>>>>The chess engine only has been optimized for the Xscale. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Michael >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I should qualify my comments - on my machine (Dell Axim) with WM 2003 and ROM 05 >>>>>> >>>>>> >- they are close ..too close for me to call. >>>>>> >>>>>>You explicit mentioned SSDF so we talk about tournament time control. >>>>>> >>>>>>Shredder 7 UCI 450 Mhz has 2717 SSDF ElO >>>>>>Chess Genius 6.5 450 MHz has 2476 SSDF ELO >>>>>> >>>>>>Shredder 7 had TBs in the search and and and ..., so maybe the difference is >>>>>>only 200 points. >>>>>> >>>>>>To be close now on a Dell Axim would mean SMK did a lousy porting job with >>>>>>PF2(updated). >>>>>>Seems unlikely to me. >>>>>> >>>>>>Michael >>>>> >>>>>you are assuming the engine Genius 6.5 is the same as CG 1.5 --- I do not think >>>>>it is based on problems I have given to both. >>>> >>>>I didn't assume that. Even if Lang had a major rewrite of his program it seems >>>>impossible that he has closed the gap. >>>>The ability to solve many testpositions fast is fine but not most important. >>>> >>>>Btw, I have an Axim with ROM A01 German and PF2 seems to work fine there. >>>>@ 400MHz 16MB I get typically 20000-25000 nps in the early middlegame and >>>>21000 nps after 30 sec in the start position. >>> >>>That's my point - with ROM A05 and Wm 2003, 1.5 greatly increases nps over 1.4 >>>on PPC 2002 and ROM A01 >> >>I have a new Dell Axim with ROM A01 German and Wm 2003, not Pocket PC 2002. >>The German ROMs seem to have different names than the English ROMs. >>I have a ROM version: A01 (07190300GE) >>What is your number A05 (...) ? >> >>There exists also an older ROM version A01 Germany (04100300GE) >>which can be compared with the old A01 English (04100300EN). >> >>http://www.pcsystemservice.de/treiber_downloads.php >> >> -- do you have Cg 1.5 ? - it has nps option runs some >>>tests and we can compare. Seeing is believeing. If you have CG, Richard has a >>>special version of 1.4 that has nps in hex format . email him for the test copy. >> >>No, I have only an old Genius 6. > >I'm talking about Pocket Genius Yes, I know - do you have that? No, I have Pocket Grandmaster 2.1 and PF2 installed on my device so far. So we could only compare with that. I hope there would be not much difference unless you overclock your Axim of course. I get only 23500 nps with Ruffian 1.0.4 (8MB) after 30 sec. On desktops Ruffian shows usually 3x the knps of Shredder 7 in a position. On Pocket PCs the knps are almost equal. Michael > > >>My numbers are from PocketFritz 2 Analysis mode. >> >>Michael >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Michael >>>> >>>> >>>>Michael
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