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Subject: Re: No progress since deep fritz 7 !

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 04:10:14 11/16/03

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On November 16, 2003 at 06:28:37, Sune Larsson wrote:

>On November 16, 2003 at 05:38:20, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 16, 2003 at 05:20:04, Gerhard Sonnabend wrote:
>>
>>>Hi !
>>>
>>>As you can see since (deep)fritz 7 there is no progress against other engines.
>>>It looks like that frans has tried to optimize his creation for playing
>>>against strong humans - a good decision.
>
>
>>
>>No
>>
>>We have no evidence if new Fritz is better or worse against humans and it is not
>>a good decision because the customer cannot care less if the program get 99% or
>>99.1% against him.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
> No
>
> You do not and cannot know what "the customer" cares about. You can only speak
> for yourself. Do you really think all the tournament players/corr players care
> about machine vs machine games? Can you even imagine that they just *might* be
> interested in ideas from a chessprogram that they can use in games vs other
> humans? At least this is a possibility - yes?

If a program is better then it gives better ideas.
If a program is not better against other programs then I do not expect it to
give better ideas for correspondence games when the opponent can use other
programs.

> Speaking for myself, I welcome this development, i.e. making the programs play
> more "humanlike" chess (without the human tactical errors of course). Junior
> is very interesting here - giving up material in cramped positions in order
> to free the game etc.
>
> /S

I did not talk against sacrificing material and I think that it can help
in comp-comp games(Junior improves in the ssdf list relative to previous
versions).

Uri



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