Author: Sune Larsson
Date: 05:17:37 11/16/03
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On November 16, 2003 at 07:10:14, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 16, 2003 at 06:28:37, Sune Larsson wrote: > >>On November 16, 2003 at 05:38:20, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On November 16, 2003 at 05:20:04, Gerhard Sonnabend wrote: >>> >>>>Hi ! >>>> >>>>As you can see since (deep)fritz 7 there is no progress against other engines. >>>>It looks like that frans has tried to optimize his creation for playing >>>>against strong humans - a good decision. >> >> >>> >>>No >>> >>>We have no evidence if new Fritz is better or worse against humans and it is not >>>a good decision because the customer cannot care less if the program get 99% or >>>99.1% against him. >>> >>>Uri >> >> >> No >> >> You do not and cannot know what "the customer" cares about. You can only speak >> for yourself. Do you really think all the tournament players/corr players care >> about machine vs machine games? Can you even imagine that they just *might* be >> interested in ideas from a chessprogram that they can use in games vs other >> humans? At least this is a possibility - yes? > >If a program is better then it gives better ideas. >If a program is not better against other programs then I do not expect it to >give better ideas for correspondence games when the opponent can use other >programs. > >> Speaking for myself, I welcome this development, i.e. making the programs play >> more "humanlike" chess (without the human tactical errors of course). Junior >> is very interesting here - giving up material in cramped positions in order >> to free the game etc. >> >> /S > >I did not talk against sacrificing material and I think that it can help >in comp-comp games(Junior improves in the ssdf list relative to previous >versions). > >Uri No, you spoke about what "the customer" cares or doesn't care about. As if you really could know...Or have you made any marketing research in this area? CB goes for showing the world that their products can level up to the best players in matches (so there must be some value there for all the tournament players around, yes? - that's the idea.) I have no doubt about that the CB-people know what they are doing, in order to increase sales. I also remember a wellknown name from CB, calling the people in this forum "just a bunch of computerchess freaks", so I don't think they care much about engine-engine games - except of leading the SSDF-list with some of their products. Looks like the value of winning the Wch of computerchess has decreased quite a bit too. (Just a personal reflection though.) /S
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