Author: Aaron Gordon
Date: 11:32:15 12/08/03
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On December 08, 2003 at 13:08:41, Slater Wold wrote: >On December 08, 2003 at 12:55:36, Leen Ammeraal wrote: > >>I saw the Athlon 64 based >>"PC Vobis Power 64 3200+ XD" (euro 1299). >> >>How does this compare with an Intel P4 3.2 EE ? >>Which would you prefer for chess? >>Leen > >According to http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/CCAM/a64fx_51_launch.shtml, the >3.2EE would be faster. Shame they only tested (except for UT2k3) applications where the P4 does decent. As I said in a previous post.. where is DVD2AVI (where an Athlon does best for Mpeg encoding). It is much faster than XMpeg for me (on my XP). Also, in Povray (a renderer a normal person would use, rather than drop $4000 for one of the ones they use to test) the Athlon is a good 50%+ faster than the P4. In 64bit mode it is something like 3 times faster. The Athlon FX is even faster than the XP. Expecially for chess, which I believe what he was asking about in the first place. Go test Fritz, Shredder, Crafty, etc. on a 2.2GHz FX. You'll see in 32bit mode you'll gain 20-30% over an Athlon XP (which is already faster than a P4 for chess). About PCMark and 3DMark (all made by madonion/futuremark).. they're all bunk. PCMark is biased towards the P4 and now that ATI slapped them with some cash they're biased towards ATI. If you don't believe me, try this. Get a Pentium 2 400MHz (yes, 400MHz) and a Radeon 9700 pro, 9800, whatever. Now, put a Geforce4 ti4600 in a P4-3.2EE, Athlon FX 2.8GHz, you name it.. doesn't matter. The Pentium 2 400MHz will get a higher 3DMark. Why? Well, thats what happens when you dump a ton of cash on a company.. they do what you want. The semi-technical reason why it is like this was something nvidia found out. They found that the way futuremark did the pixel shaders was ridiculous. Adding a specific loop (or something like that, you can search for it on google) that only the ATI chips could do.. and the entire test setup was this crap. In real life, and in any other 3D program the Geforce4 on the faster CPU would absolutely kill the P2-400MHz with the 9700 Pro. This is an example of the crap companies do to fool customers. I've done the testing (P4-2.53 @ 3.32ghz and limited testing at 3.5ghz) for chess and other programs, my Athlon XP at 2.5GHz beat it in 95% of the tests and ALL of the chess programs. An Athlon FX 2.2GHz is 20-30% faster than an XP at 2.2GHz, so you can figure it'd be equal to an XP 2.64-2.86GHz.. which is definitely faster than any P4 (even if they clocked it up to 4GHz and more) to date. If you want the fastest, go for this: http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000268 Plus, if you get a P4-3.2EE what do you think you'll be doing when lots of the chess programs go to 64bit, and most of everything else? You'll end up buying an Athlon FX.. the P4 will get smoked even more when 64bit stuff hits the scene. You can get one now and when everything switches over you won't have to upgrade at all. If you do go with a P4-EE you'll just be one of many who wonder why it isn't as fast as the 'review' pages say. If in doubt, test it yourself.. I did.
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