Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 18:11:54 05/14/04
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On May 14, 2004 at 20:30:24, James T. Walker wrote: >On May 14, 2004 at 20:01:50, John Merlino wrote: > >>On May 14, 2004 at 19:19:18, Alex wrote: >> >>>On May 14, 2004 at 17:16:03, John Merlino wrote: >>> >>>>On May 14, 2004 at 15:42:13, Terry Giles wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 15:07:54, John Merlino wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Finally, there's something to see about the next version of Chessmaster >>>>>>(apparently officially called "Chessmaster 10th Edition"): >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/chessmasterx_pc.htm >>>>>> >>>>>>As expected (by me), the interface is entirely new, since the program is being >>>>>>developed by the same team that did the PS2 version. >>>>>> >>>>>>From what I can glean from the info on the website, it sounds like the majority >>>>>>of the work has gone into redesigning the UI and improving the online play. I >>>>>>don't see any new exciting tutorial/analysis features, other than Johan's new >>>>>>version of The King. >>>>>> >>>>>>So it sounds like they're going to sell the program based on the merits of the >>>>>>new interface. >>>>>> >>>>>>I also see a hint that there is an Xbox version in the works as well. >>>>>> >>>>>>As for an official release date, there isn't one mentioned. >>>>>> >>>>>>Enjoy! >>>>>> >>>>>>jm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for the info John, sad to say that all the screenshots shown are of >>>>>'arty-farty' chesspieces and board combinations. I'm currently running CM9k on a >>>>>PII @ 400Mhz, so unless I go for a major upgrade PC wise, the CM10th anniversary >>>>>program will prove too demanding for my computer! >>>>> >>>>>tag >>>> >>>>Yep, the min spec says P3-450, so I don't think this will be for you. >>>> >>>>But I would definitely say it's time to upgrade, especially if you are a fan of >>>>computer chess! >>>> >>>>jm >>> Yah whatever! Look--don't get me wrong......... I am a fan. BUT! let's face >>>it -- the delivery in regard to online features and quality of chessmaster as >>>historically presented and advertised is almost criminal in my opinion! Yah -- >>>3d sets...I am with KURT U. on this one! I ALWAYS actually play on 2d sets! >>>Annnnnnnnnnnnnd........last but not least let's talk about engine.......is it >>>reworked or is it JUST a new "personality setting"? Alex >> >>To answer your comments: >> >>-- I almost always use the 2D sets, too. But many of the 3D sets are playable >>(particularly the "flat" ones) and have the advantage that they can be resized >>to any desired amount. >> >>-- The engine is new. It's got a new version number and everything -- just like >>the engine in CM9000, which tests show is anywhere between 100-150 points >>stronger than the previous version. Somehow I don't see that as "JUST a new >>'personality setting'". >> >>jm > >Somehow I don't believe the "100-150 points stronger". In the history of >commercial computer chess I have never seen that big of a jump in rating at one >time. In fact the improvements in strength lately have been almost >unrecognizable. I am at the point of giving up on buying more chess programs >and faster computers for a couple of years. My blitz test show Fritz 8 is about >11 points stronger than Fritz 7. Big deal. It seems that improvements in the >opening book make it look stronger for a while untill book learning negates the >new lines. Then the real improvement shows itself. Just my opinion of course. >Jim The last upgrade for ChessMaster: Chessmaster 8000 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2520 44 -45 251 45% 2552 Chessmaster 9000 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2720 36 -36 376 55% 2682 200 Elo increase. How much was hardware? For Chess Tiger 14.0, same program on those two machines: Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2640 23 -23 905 55% 2608 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200 2719 30 -30 557 61% 2640 diff = 79 Elo For Chess Tiger 15.0, same program on those two machines: Chess Tiger 15.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2666 34 -33 433 52% 2651 Chess Tiger 15.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2719 23 -22 983 58% 2659 diff = 53 Elo For Fritz 7.0, same program on those two machines: Fritz 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2633 38 -37 348 53% 2611 Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2744 29 -28 634 63% 2653 diff = 111 Elo For Hiarcs 8.0, same program on those two machines: Hiarcs 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2588 33 -34 440 42% 2648 Hiarcs 8.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2684 22 -22 996 53% 2663 diff = 96 Elo For Junior 7.0, same program on those two machines: Junior 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2634 21 -21 1143 56% 2591 Junior 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2702 24 -23 881 54% 2674 diff = 68 Elo For Rebel Century 4.0, same program on those two machines: Rebel Century 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2569 52 -53 178 46% 2595 Rebel Century 4.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2677 29 -29 590 60% 2606 diff = 108 Elo For Shredder 6.0, same program on those two machines: Shredder 6.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2618 43 -43 264 52% 2607 Shredder 6.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2723 31 -30 547 62% 2634 diff = 105 Elo For Shredder 7.0, same program on those two machines: Shredder 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2772 27 -25 801 70% 2624 Shredder 7.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2699 34 -34 429 54% 2669 diff = 73 Elo Average Elo elevation for hardware change is: (79 + 53 + 111 + 96 + 68 + 108 + 105 + 73)/8 = 693/8 = 87 Elo Therefore, 200 - 87 = 113 was the last increase for ChessMaster (approximately) Hence, 100-150 Elo would be par for the course.
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