Author: Uri Blass
Date: 23:36:28 09/24/04
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On September 25, 2004 at 02:09:20, Drexel,Michael wrote: >On September 24, 2004 at 07:43:57, Joachim Rang wrote: > >>On September 24, 2004 at 05:07:52, stuart taylor wrote: >> >>>On September 24, 2004 at 04:44:23, jim r uselton wrote: >>> >>>>Hello, I'm a newbie at computer chess and I have a question. How strong are the >>>>programs you buy right off the shelf. The Fritz, the Shredder, etc., etc. >>>> >>>>Will they play at GM strength or do you need a strong player guiding and >>>>controlling move selection? >>> >>>The top programs on normal PC's of today, will often beat a GM, perhaps even >>>more often than not. If even a GM wants to have a fighting chance, he has to be >>>very familiar with computer style chess. >>> >>>This does not mean that a GM doesn't understand better than a computer. Any GM >>>SHOULD beat a computer in almost any game, but that is now very hard to >>>actualize any more, so you might as well say that computers are equal to a >>>strong GM, but in a certain way. >>> >>>I think that if any GM would analyze absolutely determined to win, like in >>>correspondents chess, then he could win (or draw) almost any game off any >>>computer, even if the computer was also left analyzing for that same amount of >>>time. But the GM would have to work very very hard. >>> >>>S.Taylor >> >>exactly that kind of experiment is happening right now: > >GM = Fide-GM >Arno Nickel is not a Fide-GM. >So that experiment does not happen right now. > >Michael > >> >>http://www.chessfriend.com >> >>Select "GM Nickel - Engines" in the Navigation. >> >>so far it seems an engine with a dedicated and decent (not top) computer >>analyzing at CC-time-controls (several days per move) is playing on GM-Level in >>Correspondence Chess too. >> >>Of course Arno Nickel did some minor mistakes but the match indicates that even >>on CC it is nowadays very hard for a human to beat a computer. > >With the help of a computer it´s very easy. > >Michael If it is very easy then you could expect nickel to get 6-0 result or at least 5-1. He is not a fide GM but he is also not a weak chess player. There is a difference between claiming that very strong players can do it with the help of computer(and even this was not proved) and claiming that it is very easy. Note also that playing against a computer does not mean that you know the name of your opponent and I doubt if you can beat a strong private program like falcon at correspondence time control easily even if falcon is slightly weaker than shredder. Uri
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