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Subject: Re: program strength

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 23:09:20 09/24/04

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On September 24, 2004 at 07:43:57, Joachim Rang wrote:

>On September 24, 2004 at 05:07:52, stuart taylor wrote:
>
>>On September 24, 2004 at 04:44:23, jim r uselton wrote:
>>
>>>Hello, I'm a newbie at computer chess and I have a question. How strong are the
>>>programs you buy right off the shelf. The Fritz, the Shredder, etc., etc.
>>>
>>>Will they play at GM strength or do you need a strong player guiding and
>>>controlling move selection?
>>
>>The top programs on normal PC's of today, will often beat a GM, perhaps even
>>more often than not. If even a GM wants to have a fighting chance, he has to be
>>very familiar with computer style chess.
>>
>>This does not mean that a GM doesn't understand better than a computer. Any GM
>>SHOULD beat a computer in almost any game, but that is now very hard to
>>actualize any more, so you might as well say that computers are equal to a
>>strong GM, but in a certain way.
>>
>>I think that if any GM would analyze absolutely determined to win, like in
>>correspondents chess, then he could win (or draw) almost any game off any
>>computer, even if the computer was also left analyzing for that same amount of
>>time. But the GM would have to work very very hard.
>>
>>S.Taylor
>
>exactly that kind of experiment is happening right now:

GM = Fide-GM
Arno Nickel is not a Fide-GM.
So that experiment does not happen right now.

Michael

>
>http://www.chessfriend.com
>
>Select "GM Nickel - Engines" in the Navigation.
>
>so far it seems an engine with a dedicated and decent (not top) computer
>analyzing at CC-time-controls (several days per move) is playing on GM-Level in
>Correspondence Chess too.
>
>Of course Arno Nickel did some minor mistakes but the match indicates that even
>on CC it is nowadays very hard for a human to beat a computer.

With the help of a computer it´s very easy.

Michael

>
>regards Joachim





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