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Subject: Re: program strength

Author: Joachim Rang

Date: 04:43:57 09/24/04

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On September 24, 2004 at 05:07:52, stuart taylor wrote:

>On September 24, 2004 at 04:44:23, jim r uselton wrote:
>
>>Hello, I'm a newbie at computer chess and I have a question. How strong are the
>>programs you buy right off the shelf. The Fritz, the Shredder, etc., etc.
>>
>>Will they play at GM strength or do you need a strong player guiding and
>>controlling move selection?
>
>The top programs on normal PC's of today, will often beat a GM, perhaps even
>more often than not. If even a GM wants to have a fighting chance, he has to be
>very familiar with computer style chess.
>
>This does not mean that a GM doesn't understand better than a computer. Any GM
>SHOULD beat a computer in almost any game, but that is now very hard to
>actualize any more, so you might as well say that computers are equal to a
>strong GM, but in a certain way.
>
>I think that if any GM would analyze absolutely determined to win, like in
>correspondents chess, then he could win (or draw) almost any game off any
>computer, even if the computer was also left analyzing for that same amount of
>time. But the GM would have to work very very hard.
>
>S.Taylor

exactly that kind of experiment is happening right now:

http://www.chessfriend.com

Select "GM Nickel - Engines" in the Navigation.

so far it seems an engine with a dedicated and decent (not top) computer
analyzing at CC-time-controls (several days per move) is playing on GM-Level in
Correspondence Chess too.

Of course Arno Nickel did some minor mistakes but the match indicates that even
on CC it is nowadays very hard for a human to beat a computer.

regards Joachim
>
>
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>> Also, what percentage of top CC players use program
>>assistance in their CC games?
>>
>>Thanks



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