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Subject: Re: How to stop computer cheating at the 500,000$ HB championship?

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 23:41:30 09/25/04

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On September 25, 2004 at 19:13:56, Mark Young wrote:

>On September 25, 2004 at 18:57:14, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On September 25, 2004 at 17:50:59, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>On September 25, 2004 at 17:41:11, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 25, 2004 at 15:44:11, BubbleGum1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     I personally know that two different people used computers to win 10,000 in
>>>>>the last two world open tournaments - one of the cheats was a long standing
>>>>>member of this very group!.  Is there a device that the directors could get to
>>>>>detect various transmissions including radio, bluetooth etc?  Because i have
>>>>>seen this flagrant cheating happen twice now with nothing done, i almost feel if
>>>>>i had an opponent with braces on his teeth I would have to ask the director to
>>>>>check them for a wireless device!
>>>>
>>>>People should simply stop giving money prizes for adults under 1600 and even for
>>>>adults under 2200.
>>>
>>>Uri,  I must say. I thought you were smarter then this. If you stopped giving
>>>money away at tournament for people under 1600 or 2200. You would have no
>>>tournament. In Missouri there is only a very few people who have ratings over
>>>2200. And not many people over 1600. Most people who play are below 1600.
>>
>>I do not think that you will have no tournaments.
>>
>>People at the weak level usually play for fun and not for money.
>
>I will speak for myslef here. I played for fun and money. I for one will not
>donate to a prize fund I can not win. So my guess is there will be no prize
>fund, or tournament....because I am not alone in this feeling. I have won many
>tournaments in my class, and have won 1000's of dallors over the years, along
>with some nice trophies. This is not free, people must be willing to pay. And
>people are only going to pay if they have a chance to win money and trophies.
>People are not going to just hand over our money to master class players. We
>already support them by being able to win less, for the money we put up.

In Italy chess is not followed as it was some years ago and the no. of players
has reduced. Part of this is due also to big mistakes made by tournament
organizers.

In some tournaments someone thougth that reducing the money price for the low
levels and increasing the price for the master level would have kept the
interest of the GMs to attend as well as IMs as "this was the most important
thing for everybody".

It turned out completely wrong as the low level players attending the tournament
went down dramatically and many wrote ferocious protest letters stating that
they do not agree at all paying 90% or more of the money prize and getting 30%
or less. As a protest they stop attending all tournament and refused to join the
chess federation as well.

Because the low level players (below master level) are the very great majority
it must be considered that they are keeping chess alive and not the GMs or other
strong players. Losing the base the whole system would collapse.

This is not my opinion, but something that was see here.

Sandro
>
>
>>I include myself as  the weak level  because my rating is near 2000 in the last
>>years.
>>
>>I won some small money prizes in tournaments but the total sum is something near
>>100$ and I clearly waste more money about chess in a year.
>>
>>We neve have big first prize of 10,000$ or even 1,000$ for weak players.
>>
>>We have in october a tournament with  prizes and the first prize under 2100 is
>>1500 shekels that is near 300$ when the first prize above 2000 is
>>5000 shekels that is near 1100$($ is near 4.5 shekels)
>>
>>The first prize in the israeli championship when many grandmasters play in it is
>>only first prize of 12,000 shekels.
>>
>>We do not need high prizes for weak players and prizes for the best player under
>>1600 based on my memory is in the best case only a chess book and often nothing.
>>
>>Often the organizers decide that money prizes are 70%  or 80% of the
>>registration fee(in that case GM's do not come but it is not a problem to find
>>players under 2200 when registration fee is near 20$ and if 30 players come to
>>the tournament you can find that less than 500$ are for prizes).
>>
>>Uri



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