Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 04:51:39 10/14/04
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On October 13, 2004 at 13:20:10, Graham Laight wrote: >On October 13, 2004 at 11:44:32, Peter Skinner wrote: > >>On October 13, 2004 at 10:58:41, Graham Laight wrote: >> >>>So - the human players at Bilbao (Ruslan Ponomariov, Véselin Topálov and Sergey >>>Karjakin) were simply not sufficiently well motivated, then? >>> >>>-g >> >>Frankly looking at the way the humans played, there was certainly room for vast >>improvement. They played the computers as if they were playing humans. That is >>the wrong thing to do. >> >>If you look at most games, they were of high "tactic" play. This is _exactly_ >>the strength of the computers. In the one game where the human played >>positionally, he made the computer look like a complete patzer. It was >>unfortunate that it was Junior, but it could have _easily_ been any other >>program there. >> >>Put Anand in there instead of Topalov, and the results would have been much >>different. The humans that played are not experienced computer players. I don't >>even think one of them has attended an AEGEON event (I could be wrong about >>this). >> >>In the Karjakin - Junior game, Karjakin played _excellent_ anti-computer chess. > >Looking at the game at http://www.utzingerk.com/bilbao/bilbao.htm , with just my >lowly 1600 skill level, I see some problems with Karjakin's positioning. By move >20, his king is fully exposed (with the queens still on the board!), and DJ has >a passed pawn. > >By move 25, there are tactical issues aplenty! > >I feel that Karjakin was lucky to escape with the win from this game. You have apparently no clue what really happened in this game, just like DJ. The passed pawn was worth exactly NOTHING. The opening choice was simply bad. Michael >I have to admit that, as the game progresses, DJ invents a new dance called "the >dark-square bishop shuffle" which, whether good chess or not, is not pleasing to >the eye. Moving a piece aimlessly backwards and forwards is usually an indicator >that a computer is in a position it does not understand well. > >-g > >>On ICC there are a few GM's that in longer games, just make the machines look >>stupid. It is almost insane how easily they win. There is also an IM on ICC >>named IgorIvanov. He plays my computer all the time (Shredder 8), and even in a >>blitz game (5 3), he can win _easily_. >> >>Peter
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