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Subject: Re: Why Did Junior Underperform So Badly In Bilbao?

Author: Graham Laight

Date: 10:20:10 10/13/04

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On October 13, 2004 at 11:44:32, Peter Skinner wrote:

>On October 13, 2004 at 10:58:41, Graham Laight wrote:
>
>>So - the human players at Bilbao (Ruslan Ponomariov, Véselin Topálov and Sergey
>>Karjakin) were simply not sufficiently well motivated, then?
>>
>>-g
>
>Frankly looking at the way the humans played, there was certainly room for vast
>improvement. They played the computers as if they were playing humans. That is
>the wrong thing to do.
>
>If you look at most games, they were of high "tactic" play. This is _exactly_
>the strength of the computers. In the one game where the human played
>positionally, he made the computer look like a complete patzer. It was
>unfortunate that it was Junior, but it could have _easily_ been any other
>program there.
>
>Put Anand in there instead of Topalov, and the results would have been much
>different. The humans that played are not experienced computer players. I don't
>even think one of them has attended an AEGEON event (I could be wrong about
>this).
>
>In the Karjakin - Junior game, Karjakin played _excellent_ anti-computer chess.

Looking at the game at http://www.utzingerk.com/bilbao/bilbao.htm , with just my
lowly 1600 skill level, I see some problems with Karjakin's positioning. By move
20, his king is fully exposed (with the queens still on the board!), and DJ has
a passed pawn.

By move 25, there are tactical issues aplenty!

I feel that Karjakin was lucky to escape with the win from this game.

I have to admit that, as the game progresses, DJ invents a new dance called "the
dark-square bishop shuffle" which, whether good chess or not, is not pleasing to
the eye. Moving a piece aimlessly backwards and forwards is usually an indicator
that a computer is in a position it does not understand well.

-g

>On ICC there are a few GM's that in longer games, just make the machines look
>stupid. It is almost insane how easily they win. There is also an IM on ICC
>named IgorIvanov. He plays my computer all the time (Shredder 8), and even in a
>blitz game (5 3), he can win _easily_.
>
>Peter



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