Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
Date: 06:11:21 01/28/05
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On January 28, 2005 at 08:59:57, Harald Faber wrote: >On January 28, 2005 at 04:49:54, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: > >>On January 28, 2005 at 02:36:23, Harald Faber wrote: >>>On January 28, 2005 at 01:49:29, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>How much stronger is it? >>>>This time I will leave the fun to find out to you!:-)) >>>> >>>>Ciao >>>>Sandro >>> >>> >>>How many ELOs did you say is Shredder 8 stronger than 7.04? How many ELOs can we >>>see for real (SSDF)? ;) >> >>These questions are probably the reasons why you don't get any Elo expectations >>from Sandro for Shredder 9, at least this is why you don't get any guess from >>me. > > >I will not make any guesses either. Actually I was asked some question on that >issue - read my answer: >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> I am considering buying chesstiger 2004 would u say it is >> stronger then chesstiger 15 and if so by how much. thanks you > >I'd say it is stronger, but I will never say any ELO numbers on how strong >one program is or how much stronger than predecessor or other >programs. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>You know that exact Elo numbers are very hard to measure, when you get a number >>from Sandro, it is a value according to his tests and experience, not a number >>which is based on marketing. Sandro is one of the most honest people I know, he >>would never tell you something which he doesn't believe is true. > > >Don't get me wrong. Except Genius 3 -> 4 -> 5 -> 6 -> 7 I assume that EVERY >(commercial) program improved from version to version. I only see problems in >measuring. I am sure that Shredder 8 is stronger than only one point compared >with Shredder 7.04. But neither can or would I say any number - that would be >guessing only - nor do I have any idea in which area this number lies nor how to >"really" measure it. I am also sure that Shredder 8 is significantly stronger than Shredder 7.04, but hearing this from me makes it hard to believe for many people. >>If your Elo guess is wrong, even years later people will remind you of this >>accusing you (directly or indirectly) of not telling the truth. > > >Years later is trolling IMO. And guesses are easily seen as promises and taken >for granted, so disappointment is justified for those people. Especially guesses >from the development team are taken serious... > > >>This has happened many times in the past and is hard and annoying to deal with. > > >That is why I don't and wouldn't do any guesses. Another point is that testers >sometimes get totally different results or test under their own special >circumstances which might not be relevant for "normal" play. Letting program A+1 >play 20 Kings Indian positions, not scoring better than program A, so program >A+1 is "disappointment"... > > >>Shredder9 will be out very soon and you will get many results of it from >>independent testers quickly. You can chose which one to trust > > >This is what I always do. ;) > > >>and if you like what you hear. > > >Basically this depends on the results. ;) For me another good reason to get Shredder 9 would be the new improved analysis feature making backwards analysis much more effective. Stefan
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