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Subject: Re: The importance of opening books -- a simple experiment

Author: Arturo Ochoa

Date: 07:02:32 02/18/05

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On February 17, 2005 at 17:52:43, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 17, 2005 at 17:46:47, Tord Romstad wrote:
>
>>On February 17, 2005 at 16:16:16, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>>
>>>I don't think you are being quite fair to Vincent here.  His actual statement
>>>(or at least what I think he intended to say) is that "A good book vs no book is
>>>worth 700 elo at the World Championships", and I think that it is not that far
>>>off.  If you show up at the World Championships with no book, you have 0% chance
>>>to win, regardless of what engine you use.
>>
>>I am not sure what he intended to say, but he did not mention anything about
>>World
>>Championships (at least not in the initial post, I haven't bothered to read the
>>whole
>>thread).  Basically he just said "book=700 Elo" without any qualifications at
>>all.
>>
>>Perhaps it was just intended as a joke, as has been suggested in the current
>>thread.
>>
>>>Anyway, if you don't feel the need to work on the book, don't.
>>
>>Of course I am not going to do much (if any) work on the book.  From my point of
>>view, there is no point.  I cannot see how I can learn anything useful from it.
>>
>>>Arturo and I will enjoy getting good positions and easy points :)
>>
>>As you know, I usually don't participate in tournaments.  And if I ever do, my
>>purpose
>>is to meet the other participants, and not to try to win.  The competitive
>>aspect of
>>computer chess has very little interest to me.  My focus is not on defeating
>>other
>>chess engines, but on contributing to the continued improvement of chess playing
>>algorithms.  I want to see the general level of amateur computer chess engines
>>continue to rise, and to feel that I have at least a tiny part of the honor for
>>this.
>>From this perspective, working on the book would be a complete waste of time.
>>
>>I concede that a good book is definitely an important factor in tournament play,
>>but it will be really hard to convince me that it is worth anywhere near 700
>>points.
>>I leave the discussion of precisely how much can be gained by a good book to
>>those who are more interested in tournaments.
>>
>>And by the way, trust me:  Zappa really wouldn't need any special book
>>preparation
>>to get good positions and easy points against Glaurung.  :-)
>>
>>Tord
>
>Same for movei
>
>For some reason Artuto does not understand that opponents get easy points
>against movei simply because movei is an extremely weak engine.
>

My name is Arturo and not Artuto. Learn to spell my name, please.

Mmmm, this is a new excuse. Now, Movei is so so so weak so you can have a new
useless argument to decrease the importance of the book. What are you talking
about then?

>I guess that it is even weaker than Glaurung.
>
>Uri

Dont continue guessing false things and prove your nonsense with real facts.



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