Author: George Speight
Date: 17:50:41 08/18/05
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On August 18, 2005 at 20:37:29, Dann Corbit wrote: >On August 18, 2005 at 20:15:15, George Speight wrote: > >>Im sure ill get a lot of flak for this, but so be it. Yes, i think this tourn. >>is silly to say the least. In the first place, in my opinion, only a complete >>idiot would run a 1 cycle round robin. If a program meets another on black, then >>it should later be afforded the chance to meet the same opponent on white. > >That bit can be compenstated for mathematically. It would clearly be better to >play both sides against each opponent but that is a lot of games. I do not know >the format, but as long as it is even handed, worse things could happen. > >> Short >>of that, the results are not much better than flipping a coin. > >Short tournaments are always like that. Consider the "Superbowl" for US >football. A single game decides the winner. It *is* essentially a coin-toss, >but nobody really has a problem with having the winner being crowned champion. > >>It proves >>absolutely nothing, except someone hasnothing better to do. I mean to hurt no >>ones's feelings by leaving their program out, because i see no pushovers in the >>current one. But here is my list of entrants-limit it to 12, and u have one hell >>of an interesting tournament. Shredder 9, Fritz 8 Bilbao, Junior 9, Tiger 15, >>Diep, Deep Seng, Fruit, Zappa, Glaurung Mainz, Toga II 1.0 Beta 2, some version >>of Gandalf-u take ur pick, and yes the 12th would be hydra, tho i do have >>misgivings about letting a program in that instead of running on hardware, IS >>the hardware itself. > >I am quite sure that all of them were invited. The fact that they do not want >to play for whatever reason means that they are not needed to decide the >contest. By default, they have lost. > >>Then i would pick Bob Hyatt, who i think is extremely smart >>and level-headed to decide the format and run the tournament himself. > >I tbink it is quite a bad idea to have the tournament players making decisions >about the format of the tournament. Besides, they have enough on their plate >already. I agree that Dr. Hyatt is a level headed fellow and one of the "old >guard" of computer chess. But he is not the person to make TD type decisions. > >>THEN YOU >>HAVE A CREDIBLE TOURNAMENT WITH SOME POWERHOUSES. And the winner could then be >>crowned the credible WORLD CHAMPION. > >The tournament is credible. There are some powerhouses. And the winner will be >crowned world champion. That does not mean that it will be the strongest >program in the world. But it will mean that it won this contest. Of course, >nothing in those statements would change if your conditions were added. > >> To those who disagree what can i say. I do >>know that hydra wouldnt play, and Bilbao probably wouldnt either, but im just >>giving u what i think would be the perfect scenario. Regards, George > >I do not think that perfect scenarios are achievable. It is therefore better to >aim for what is achievable. > >There are plenty of warts and flaws with the ICCA tournaments (I promise not to >mention Europe/US alternation). At any rate, it's better than nothing. > >If you want to know which program is strongest, SSDF, WBEC, and CEGT are better >anyway. > >bcnu If u notice, there would be no conflict with Bob, because in my scenario, he would not have a program in the tourn. As for the Super Bowl, it is the only one of the major 3 that is not the best of something. Therefore obviously the result is not as credible. As for who agrees to show up, i was going on the assumption that all WOULD AGREE to come. I did not just ride into town on the pumpkin wagon, tho u all know alot more about this than I. I was merely picking what i think are the top 12 and a guy who has the ability to run it right. I KNOW FULLY WELL no format is perfect, but i think mine is close. I dont care if it takes 1 month, 2 months, or 3, if ur going to do it, do it right. George
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