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Subject: Re: WCCC-2005 : One Big Joke!

Author: George Speight

Date: 17:50:41 08/18/05

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On August 18, 2005 at 20:37:29, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On August 18, 2005 at 20:15:15, George Speight wrote:
>
>>Im sure ill get a lot of flak for this, but so be it. Yes, i think this tourn.
>>is silly to say the least. In the first place, in my opinion, only a complete
>>idiot would run a 1 cycle round robin. If a program meets another on black, then
>>it should later be afforded the chance to meet the same opponent on white.
>
>That bit can be compenstated for mathematically.  It would clearly be better to
>play both sides against each opponent but that is a lot of games.  I do not know
>the format, but as long as it is even handed, worse things could happen.
>
>> Short
>>of that, the results are not much better than flipping a coin.
>
>Short tournaments are always like that.  Consider the "Superbowl" for US
>football.  A single game decides the winner.  It *is* essentially a coin-toss,
>but nobody really has a problem with having the winner being crowned champion.
>
>>It proves
>>absolutely nothing, except someone hasnothing better to do. I mean to hurt no
>>ones's feelings by leaving their program out, because i see no pushovers in the
>>current one. But here is my list of entrants-limit it to 12, and u have one hell
>>of an interesting tournament. Shredder 9, Fritz 8 Bilbao, Junior 9, Tiger 15,
>>Diep, Deep Seng, Fruit, Zappa, Glaurung Mainz, Toga II 1.0 Beta 2, some version
>>of Gandalf-u take ur pick, and yes the 12th would be hydra, tho i do have
>>misgivings about letting a program in that instead of running on hardware, IS
>>the hardware itself.
>
>I am quite sure that all of them were invited.  The fact that they do not want
>to play for whatever reason means that they are not needed to decide the
>contest.  By default, they have lost.
>
>>Then i would pick Bob Hyatt, who i think is extremely smart
>>and level-headed to decide the format and run the tournament himself.
>
>I tbink it is quite a bad idea to have the tournament players making decisions
>about the format of the tournament.  Besides, they have enough on their plate
>already.  I agree that Dr. Hyatt is a level headed fellow and one of the "old
>guard" of computer chess.  But he is not the person to make TD type decisions.
>
>>THEN YOU
>>HAVE A CREDIBLE TOURNAMENT WITH SOME POWERHOUSES.  And the winner could then be
>>crowned the credible WORLD CHAMPION.
>
>The tournament is credible.  There are some powerhouses.  And the winner will be
>crowned world champion.  That does not mean that it will be the strongest
>program in the world.  But it will mean that it won this contest.  Of course,
>nothing in those statements would change if your conditions were added.
>
>> To those who disagree what can i say. I do
>>know that hydra wouldnt play, and Bilbao probably wouldnt either, but im just
>>giving u what i think would be the perfect scenario.  Regards, George
>
>I do not think that perfect scenarios are achievable.  It is therefore better to
>aim for what is achievable.
>
>There are plenty of warts and flaws with the ICCA tournaments (I promise not to
>mention Europe/US alternation).  At any rate, it's better than nothing.
>
>If you want to know which program is strongest, SSDF, WBEC, and CEGT are better
>anyway.
>
>bcnu
 If u notice, there would be no conflict with Bob, because in my scenario, he
would not have a program in the tourn. As for the Super Bowl, it is the only one
of the major 3 that is not the best of something. Therefore obviously the result
is not as credible. As for who agrees to show up, i was going on the assumption
that all WOULD AGREE to come. I did not just ride into town on the pumpkin
wagon, tho u all know alot more about this than I. I was merely picking what i
think are the top 12 and a guy who has the ability to run it right. I KNOW FULLY
WELL no format is perfect, but i think mine is close. I dont care if it takes 1
month, 2 months, or 3, if ur going to do it, do it right.   George



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