Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 17:37:29 08/18/05
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On August 18, 2005 at 20:15:15, George Speight wrote: >Im sure ill get a lot of flak for this, but so be it. Yes, i think this tourn. >is silly to say the least. In the first place, in my opinion, only a complete >idiot would run a 1 cycle round robin. If a program meets another on black, then >it should later be afforded the chance to meet the same opponent on white. That bit can be compenstated for mathematically. It would clearly be better to play both sides against each opponent but that is a lot of games. I do not know the format, but as long as it is even handed, worse things could happen. > Short >of that, the results are not much better than flipping a coin. Short tournaments are always like that. Consider the "Superbowl" for US football. A single game decides the winner. It *is* essentially a coin-toss, but nobody really has a problem with having the winner being crowned champion. >It proves >absolutely nothing, except someone hasnothing better to do. I mean to hurt no >ones's feelings by leaving their program out, because i see no pushovers in the >current one. But here is my list of entrants-limit it to 12, and u have one hell >of an interesting tournament. Shredder 9, Fritz 8 Bilbao, Junior 9, Tiger 15, >Diep, Deep Seng, Fruit, Zappa, Glaurung Mainz, Toga II 1.0 Beta 2, some version >of Gandalf-u take ur pick, and yes the 12th would be hydra, tho i do have >misgivings about letting a program in that instead of running on hardware, IS >the hardware itself. I am quite sure that all of them were invited. The fact that they do not want to play for whatever reason means that they are not needed to decide the contest. By default, they have lost. >Then i would pick Bob Hyatt, who i think is extremely smart >and level-headed to decide the format and run the tournament himself. I tbink it is quite a bad idea to have the tournament players making decisions about the format of the tournament. Besides, they have enough on their plate already. I agree that Dr. Hyatt is a level headed fellow and one of the "old guard" of computer chess. But he is not the person to make TD type decisions. >THEN YOU >HAVE A CREDIBLE TOURNAMENT WITH SOME POWERHOUSES. And the winner could then be >crowned the credible WORLD CHAMPION. The tournament is credible. There are some powerhouses. And the winner will be crowned world champion. That does not mean that it will be the strongest program in the world. But it will mean that it won this contest. Of course, nothing in those statements would change if your conditions were added. > To those who disagree what can i say. I do >know that hydra wouldnt play, and Bilbao probably wouldnt either, but im just >giving u what i think would be the perfect scenario. Regards, George I do not think that perfect scenarios are achievable. It is therefore better to aim for what is achievable. There are plenty of warts and flaws with the ICCA tournaments (I promise not to mention Europe/US alternation). At any rate, it's better than nothing. If you want to know which program is strongest, SSDF, WBEC, and CEGT are better anyway. bcnu
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