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Subject: Re: Draws in general

Author: Craig Stevens

Date: 13:48:36 04/22/99

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On April 22, 1999 at 11:45:19, KarinsDad wrote:

>A special note on draws (FIDE rules), FYI.
>
>A stalemate is always a draw (even if illegal moves are made afterwards).
>
>Insufficient winning material for both sides is always a draw. If one side has
>insufficient winning material and his opponent's flag falls, then it is a draw,
>not a win.

I was told by a tournament director a couple months ago that when I had two
pawns versus the other players knight and my flag fell that it was a loss, not a
draw because I could somehow step into a mate because my pawns were blocking
access to two squares!  If I would have known that I would have just given up
the pawns!  But what if a player is low on time and the other player refuses to
snatch available pawns and just plants a knight in front of a pawn and waits it
out.  I guess eventually you would get a 3 fold rep, but that might take a
while!  In the mean time I lose?  Is this correct?

>If both flags fall and it is impossible to determine which flag fell first, the
>game is always drawn.
>
>Draws by repetition of position and by the 50 move rule are only draws if it is
>claimed by one person. If the draw is missed (or not claimed) and the game is
>continued, then the earlier draw cannot be claimed later in the game (although
>later conditions can turn the game into a draw again such as the 50 moves
>extending to 55 moves).
>
>Most of these will not be an issue with computer programs, however, it is
>important to note that draws by repetition of position and the 50 move rule DO
>NOT have to be claimed, so programs should be written to not bring it up if they
>think they are substantially winning (if their opponent does not catch it, too
>bad).
>
>KarinsDad :)




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