Author: Lawrence S. Tamarkin
Date: 19:42:42 05/27/99
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On May 27, 1999 at 17:31:58, Marcus Kaestner wrote: >>With Hiarcs coming out as a Fritz engine this is just one more slot of the >>strong winning engines that Chess Base has in their corral. (Which win >>everything & every Human in sight:)). > >nonsense Why nonsense - Both Fritz5 & Junior have won many human & computer tournaments, and Fritz5 has even recently won (well allegedly won), in the guise of Allerman a Swiss event in Germany at normal time controls. Note; that I didn't say that other programs did not win, just that the many engines available from Chess Base have won just about everything. > >> >>Rebel will have a windows version, and presumably the engines Chess Tiger & >>Chess Partner engines. Strong but not yet a big challenge to the number of >>'killers' that Chess Base has. > >completely nonsense. watch out for the really tiger. when it appears as >rebel engine it´s more than competitive to ALL chessbase engines. >or did you play the latest tiger engines? i think not otherwise you wouldn´t >tell us this nonsense. You seem to like this 'nonsense' expression. I am not familiar with tiger, although I have heard of its promising test results and look forward to it taking a high place (Hopefully), in the chess engine world. Still that is not the same as currently available and competitive results of programs like Fritz5, HIARCS6/7, Junior5, etc... > >> >>And Milleniem Genius 6? Well the Genius6 engine is really Genius5, and it seems >>unlikely that buyer's of the MCG6 product will get the Richard Lang improvement, >>should it ever come out, except as an upgrade, which seems wrong to me, as we >>bought this program under the impression that the engine was new and improved). >>The Millenium group does not include other free engines (like Chess Base does >>with Fritz5), with the initial product - You have to figure out Winboard. > >one more nonsense. it seems that you´ve never seen the mcs-system. otherwise you >would know, that there are several genius engines included - as in chessbase >several fritz engines. Well I upgraded to Millenium Chess Genius 6 (from 5), and the only engines I noticed were previous versions of Chess Genius (which I already owned), so no gain of anything new. And of course as we all came to know later, Genius6 engine itself does not yet exist! > >> >>And the powerfull engines you can get (Zarkov, Nimzo, W-Chess, etc.), are all >>more expensive individually then the seperate Chess Base engines. (Some of which >>are the same names). > >what you´re writing here? they does cost the same. and nimzo is cheaper, because >here you get the full-original-version too. for nothing. I noticed a typical upgrad price of any Fritz engine has been about $40 dollars. I just bought HIARCS7 (Upgrade from previous engines), from Chess Base USA for $32 dollars ($3 shipping). That beats any price I have seen for programs like Shredder, W-Chess, Nimzo (except when you buy it as a Fritz style gui!). I've seen an average price of these programs of $119.00 new, & $65 dollars (or more), as upgrades. If you have some information where I can get similar new, & upgrade prices of these engines (as compared to buying from Chess Base & distributors), I would be most interested. But using your catorgorical & insulting expression of 'nonsense', means nothing factual to me. >> >>Conclusions: >> >>Rebel is a very competive product with a company philosophy of listening to the >>customer and improving the product at all times, with out unduly raising the >>price. >> >>Millenium Chess Genius has so far 'dropped the ball' as far as (successful), >>marketing is concerned. Sure, they'll sell a lot of units (well, compared to >>what?), but no where as much as the Chess Base company will. (and probably many >>other companies). >> >>Right now, Chess Base products rule as far as features, price, and just about >>any other factor of competition is concerned. (Except perhaps against the giant >>company that markets CM6000, which is not the same kind of product as I'm >>comparing here). I hope this is a good thing. > >here you´re right, but... > >>mrslug - the inkompetent chess software addict! > >... seems you´re really incompetent. Why do you insist on being insulting. I expressed my opinion, as logically as I could based on the knowledge I have about these programs. I am as entitled to my opinion(s) as you are, (or anyone else is), and I feel I must really have 'hit a nerve' for you to have to be so insulting, without producing any actual factual contridictory evidence that my post was incorrect. Frankly, I am both surprised and dissapointed that my post has caused you to react with such hostility at me. Moderators: please give Mr. Marcus Kaestner a chance to read this post, before deleting it. Thanks. mrslug - the COMPETENT chess software addict!
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