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Subject: Re: Fritz losing to Shredder

Author: Dan Homan

Date: 10:28:24 06/16/99

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On June 15, 1999 at 23:47:07, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote:

>
>I disagree. They're running programs on different hardware and that doesn't make
>for intelligent evaluations of program vs. program. Furthermore, I didn't say
>they shouldn't do it, but rather what is to be accomplished by testing program
>against program on various types of hardware that is not of equal stature. They
>can do it - but is it truly meaningful???
>

Depends on what you mean by meaningful.  This contest is to find the
best artifical chess player.  I think that is pretty meaningful.

Notice that I said "player" not program.  Clever algorithms are only
one component of a chess player.   Hardware is important too.  Some
artifical players use special purpose hardware.... Deep Blue for
example.  The question is: "What is the best artifical player?"

Now, if you want to use the results to say something about the
relative strength of the algorithms you can buy for your home
computer, you are out of luck....  The results from this contest are
not meaningful in that particular way, but they are meaningful
in other ways.

If you still are doubtful, we could turn this around.  Suppose that
you have organized a tournament.  In your tournament all the same
kinds of computers are used and all the newest commercial software
is playing.  Now, I could critize your tournament as not being
meaningful because it doesn't tell us what the best "artificial
chess player" is.  By not including other kinds of artificial chess
players and other types of hardware, I could say that your results
were tainted.

If I said these things about your hypothetical tournament, I would be
dead wrong because I would be putting my meaning into your results
rather than looking at what you were trying to do.  Your results would
tell us which commercially available program is best on the hardware
you selected.

 - Dan


>Mel
>
>>TP



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