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Subject: Re: Deep Blue Junior at WCCC?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:20:02 06/18/99

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On June 18, 1999 at 20:35:39, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On June 18, 1999 at 20:16:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 18, 1999 at 18:31:05, Roger D Davis wrote:
>>
>>>I found this message on the Rebel Site where the events of round six were
>>>reported:
>>>
>>>Ed and I took the opportunity to play some 10 minute blitz games against Deep
>>>Blue Junior. Amazingly Rebel crushed the IBM supermonster with 3-0! Deep Blue
>>>Junior had no chance in these games, so one can have his doubts about the
>>>playing strength of this machine.
>>>
>>>I haven't seen anyone else mention Deep Blue Junior.
>>>
>>>Roger
>>
>>
>>Ed didn't tell "the rest of the story" so I will...
>>
>>I ask Hsu about this 'machine' a few weeks back, and here is what he told me
>>about it:
>>
>>Some internal IBM folks asked him to develop a 'demo' facility to show off DB.
>>He elected to do a web-based interface, which is "stateless" if you know what
>>this is all about.  In essence, this machine won't play a "game" at all, it
>>simply takes a position, searches it for 1 second (which includes mostly the
>>time needed to download the chess processors with the state information) and
>>then it produces a move.  No repetition testing at all, no game history, no
>>nothing except for a near-instant search.  However, it can take quite a while
>>to make a move because _many_ web browsers get pointed at this thing by the
>>IBM guys doing demos...
>>
>>Hsu estimated that it might play at 2200 or so.  Which was all that was needed
>>for the demonstrations it is used for.  It is _not_ "deep blue junior" by any
>>measure you would care to name.
>>
>>And putting such nonsense on Ed's web page is _highly_ misleading.
>>
>>To say the least.
>>
>>Bob
>
>It's a bit hard to fault people who might not be aware of the complete details
>of the setup.
>
>Dave


I don't believe this has been a secret.  I certainly have mentioned this more
than once the past month...  And they could always "ask" what it was they were
playing against before reporting it?



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