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Subject: Re: Ply Depth in relation to playing strength

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 12:19:34 09/29/99

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On September 29, 1999 at 15:05:16, Joshua Lee wrote:

>I figure Fritz and other fast searchers look 13 or 14ply complete in the
>middlegame and the slow smart programs like Hiarcs look between 8 to 11 ply.
Nope.  In the same time frame, they will get approximately the same ply depth.
You must have a whoppersome time control to get to 14 plies, or a really fast
machine.  (Or you are considering end-game with a nearly bare board).  If you
can get to 14 ply at the opening, I would like to know what kind of a system you
have.

>I have seen some messages that said Hitech looked about 8ply in the middlegame
>it running at 150Knps. If this is so wouldn't most PC software be stronger. This
>doesn't make sense. Hitech was around 2400elo , most programs say they are that
>strong as well but if you look at Rebel 10 it achieved this on super cooled
>cpu's. In reality most computers are under 2400 on regular computers K6-3
>400's,Pentium III 600's (at rebel's site it estimates the Kyrotech's K6-3 600 to
>be as fast as a Pentium III 900 if it existed), and maybe K7 500. Another comp
>Deep thought i believe looked 10 ply complete, well i think i figured it would
>take over a 4Ghz machine to do this for Nolot pos1 for Hiarcs , anyways what
>middlegame position were people comparing the Ply depth to one with 35 possible
>moves or one with 99(i think that was the highest number seen)?????
Ply depth is not a function of NPS.  Fast searchers don't expend a lot of energy
per ply and look at more 'absurd' position.  Slow searchers spend a great deal
of energy looking at a node and ignore nodes that look bad.  But they will get
about the same ply depth in the same time frame.  At least that is my experience
with Crafty/Rebel/Hiarcs.



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