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Subject: Re: I have cloned Ferret!--What if you exclude opening and forced moves?

Author: Roger D Davis

Date: 11:23:22 10/20/99

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About what percentage of agreement was there between chessmaster with its
chessmaster personality and Ferret at the beginning? This is an important
baseline.

If it was 95%, then getting it up to 98% isn't that impressive. But if it was
80%, then 98% is impressive, I would think.

Also, are the 2% of moves that Ferret and the Ferret personality disagree
blunders by the Ferret personality? How are these moves evaluated by Crafty, for
example?

There is also a "cross-validation" issue. The parameters you have for your
Ferret personality now are optimized for the 70 Ferret games used. If you
applied your Ferret personality to another sample of Ferret games, however, the
percent of agreement can be expected to drop. How much is an empirical question.
It might be significant, and it might not be. Would be interesting to apply your
Ferret personality to another "random" sample of Ferret games, and to a sample
of Ferret games with offbeat openings, so that you can get offbeat positions in
which disagreements would arise, thus allowing you to optimize further.

I would think there would be much interest in this, since Ferret is not a
released program.

Roger





On October 20, 1999 at 12:23:19, Charles Unruh wrote:

>On October 20, 1999 at 12:14:13, Roger D Davis wrote:
>
>>Interesting. Did you have a methodology for making the adjustments, or was it by
>>hand?  by hand
>
> What are the time controls at which Ferret's moves were reproduced?
>
>I used timestamped ferret games, and made sure that CM comes up with the move
>+/- 3seconds of ferrets and then replay the game at the same time control, to
>make sure the game is an exact duplicate.
> What
>>does the percentage drop to if you exclude opening moves and forced moved?
>
>I only use moves from when the progs are out of book.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>On October 20, 1999 at 10:57:44, Charles Unruh wrote:
>>
>>>I took over 70 games that ferret played, then i kept adjusting chessmasters
>>>settings until it plays every move that ferret plays, with 98% accuracy.  I'll
>>>trade the personality with someone who creates another clone.



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