Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 09:32:42 11/29/99
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On November 29, 1999 at 11:08:25, Will Singleton wrote:
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>ACCOUNT BLITZ R(mhz) | WIN% GP/WK TGP | HIGH LOW ACTIVE
Moron (newest diep version together with judgeturpin. other diep versions:
Secret (linux!) and mundilfari).
Blitz 2679 4408 775 862 6045 3047 (06-May-1998)
Standard 2617 542 224 155 921 2676 (21-Nov-1999)
About the blitz height of Moron:
first i had for blitz the formula basically:
!computer & rating >= 2500
Rating was then like 2900+ sometimes getting over 3000. AFter a while
though i updated book a bit it was dropping to 2900 when they discovered
that diep doesn't mind to close positions too much.
Then the current experiment i modified formula for blitz:
!computer & rating >= 2200
See the result... ...last 20 games of moron:
9: + 2679 B 2242 kjhamster [ br 3 0] D25 Res Nov 29 99 02:31
8: + 2677 W 2230 herbas64 [ br 3 0] C18 Res Nov 29 99 01:54
7: - 2617 W 2657 MrJolly [ sr 30 15] B09 Mat Nov 28 99 22:29
6: + 2675 W 2214 Astra [ br 3 0] B33 Res Nov 28 99 22:18
5: = 2673 B 2216 Astra [ br 3 0] B14 Rep Nov 28 99 22:15
4: + 2622 W 2287 ADOLF [ sr 15 0] C92 Fla Nov 28 99 21:21
3: + 2618 B 2291 ADOLF [ sr 15 0] B42 Res Nov 28 99 20:57
2: + 2614 B 2467 Kilson [ sr 20 15] A45 Res Nov 28 99 20:04
1: + 2604 W 2186 Sandor [ sr 15 0] C64 Res Nov 28 99 19:17
0: + 2601 B 2189 Sandor [ sr 15 0] B07 Fla Nov 28 99 18:47
99: = 2598 W 2192 Sandor [ sr 15 0] C42 Rep Nov 28 99 18:25
98: + 2612 B 2178 Sandor [ sr 15 0] B90 Res Nov 28 99 18:05
97: + 2687 B 2226 nyul [ br 2 15] C50 Res Nov 28 99 17:34
96: + 2685 W 2228 nyul [ br 2 15] C89 Res Nov 28 99 17:20
95: + 2683 B 2230 nyul [ br 2 15] B12 Res Nov 28 99 17:06
94: + 2681 W 2232 nyul [ br 2 15] C89 Res Nov 28 99 16:57
93: + 2679 B 2234 nyul [ br 2 15] B20 Mat Nov 28 99 16:43
92: + 2677 W 2236 nyul [ br 2 15] C89 Res Nov 28 99 16:32
91: + 2609 W 2324 demiurg [ sr 15 0] C24 Mat Nov 28 99 16:05
90: = 2603 B 2578 TueschenCom [ sr 60 30] D47 Agr Nov 20 99 14:32
Tueschencom is a computer: fritz6
diep's contempt is not set yet, so astra profitted from it though
position wasn't so nice for DIEP.
nyul now lost all games, but is not used to do that against DIEP!
A single draw already kicks you back a lot of points. As the K factor
of ICC is 32 and the rating change is calculated after each game!
It is weird but true that 3 0 is just as good for now for humans against
DIEP as 2 15 level.
the reason perhaps is that diep's parallellism doesn't work well when just
having very few seconds a move, together with the slow nps of diep that
gives at most 5 or 6 ply at 3 0, even at a dual 550 celeron.
I don't know the speedups of crafty or ferret at very quick blitz levels,
but it's hard for me to assume they do parallel much better at 3 0.
getting near to 10 ply seems an IMPORTANT depth to me!
Some tough players came in, like KingWay (IM) and terribleblow (GM)
and kicked its ass game after game in closed positions!
Also a lot of games get lost because diep doesn't have learning and
the same game gets played over and over again (though i have problems
calling that learning, lossprevention would be a better word)
Now currently the vars of secret (diep linux not the newest version
though but regurarly updated) is next:
formula = "autocolor & !freeweek & !wild &
(rating>=2200+300*blitz|rating>=2300&time<=3&inc=0) &
((time<=5&inc<=3)|(standard&etime<=60)) & (!computer | unrated)"
Channels: 64 194
interface="xboard 4.0.3 + diep"
So basically playing all players above 2500 at blitz if not a computer.
Finger of secret:
Statistics for Secret(C) On for: 0 Idle: 0
rating [need] win loss draw total best
Bullet 2788 4741 2096 1132 7969 2975 (14-Feb-1999)
Blitz 2911 6448 1386 1067 8901 3069 (17-Mar-1999)
Standard 2576 1738 373 180 2291 2663 (02-May-1999)
1: Chess program DIEP (linux) shaking your hand (firmly) !
2: Dual Celeron 550, 128mb sdram, redhat linux 6.0, kernel 2.2.13
Secret is run by Zeke.
I wonder why neither Moron nor Secret is in the list of Will.
Comments will? Has it to do with the fact that both are dual machines?
I mean: Judgeturpin is a 266PII getting 5 ply sometimes 6 ply in blitz.
Hard to take ratings based upon a 5 or 6 ply serious!
Moron & secret get 7 to 9 ply in blitz.
Compare that to programs like nimzo getting always 9 to 11 ply in any
blitz game :)
Note that beadle runs on the same machine as Judgeturpin.
>MissSilicon 2689 10.13 | 62% 52 1095 | 2734 2544 140
>zchess1 2687 10.13 | 77% 7 148 | 2736 2613 0
>Talmoves 2642 9.51 | 35% 91 1894 | 2767 2473 140
>Grok 2579 9.72 | 57% 4 85 | 2588 2463 35
>PostModernist 2548 9.60 | 63% 127 2643 | 2706 2471 145
>RedBear 2542 9.77 | 60% 27 569 | 2615 2375 99
>ArasanX 2521 9.69 | 61% 35 734 | 2645 2432 140
>Beadle 2517 10.38 | 79% 89 1847 | 2660 2438 21
>inmichess 2514 9.48 | 43% 4 96 | 2514 2337 14
>JudgeTurpin 2494 10.29 | 74% 68 1416 | 2637 2431 21
>EXchess 2489 9.22 | 42% 3 66 | 2489 2377 6
>Hossa 2450 9.63 | 59% 419 8694 | 2525 2319 145
>Amateur 2427 9.80 | 51% 57 1194 | 2535 2307 140
>GKJunior 2041 8.02 | 84% 185 184 | 2061 2041 6
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> Blitz, sorted by R(mhz)
>---------------------------------
What is R for kind of function. Why not
apply it at standard levels too?
I personally hate computerblitz. It goes too fast to follow
the games sometimes, which makes it useless, except for those
who kick on results.
>ACCOUNT R(mhz)
>Beadle 10.38
>JudgeTurpin 10.29
>MissSilicon 10.13
>zchess1 10.13
>Amateur 9.80
formula of amateur:
"(( mood=0 & ( ( (blitz | bullet) & (time>=1 & time<=5 & inc=2) & ((rating >
myrating - 400) | !rated) ) | (standard & inc>1 & inc < 11 & rating >= 1900) )
)| (mood=1 & standard & inc>1 & rating >= 1900)) & !wild & (!computer | rating >
2300)"
>RedBear 9.77
>Grok 9.72
>ArasanX 9.69
>Hossa 9.63
>PostModernist 9.60
>Talmoves 9.51
>inmichess 9.48
>EXchess 9.22
>GKJunior 8.02
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> Standard Ratings
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>ACCOUNT Standard
>
>Talmoves 2501
>JudgeTurpin 2487
>MissSilicon 2425
>RedBear 2415
>PostModernist 2374
>Amateur 2373
>inmichess 2346
>Beadle 2345
>EXchess 2262
>Grok 2247
>Hossa 2203
>ArasanX 2167
>zchess1 1877
>GKJunior 1404
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> Bullet Ratings
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>ACCOUNT Bullet
>
>Hossa 2601
>zchess1 2557
>MissSilicon 2545
>JudgeTurpin 2533
>Amateur 2512
>Beadle 2452
>PostModernist 2452
>RedBear 2447
>Talmoves 2407
>Grok 2340
>EXchess 2335
>ArasanX 2281
>GKJunior 2091
>inmichess 2028
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> Inactive
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>ACCOUNT DAYS
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>BugChess 0
>cyclone 0
>gambitmaster 35
>Galahadx 21
>LittleGoliath 42
>lambchop 0
>master-tal 14
>nudode 35
>occam 28
>triskelon 0
>Topolino 28
>TheTao 21
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> Account Information
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>ACCOUNT PROGRAM CPU LISTED
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>Amateur Amateur Mac G3/300 7/10/1999
> Will Singleton, USA - contact smocfi@aol.com
>
>ArasanX Arasan K6-2/400 7/10/1999
> Jon Dart, USA - contact http://www.best.com/~jdart/arasan.htm
>
>Beadle LambChop P2/266 7/10/1999
> Peter McKenzie, NZ - contact SweenyTod on ICC
>
>BugChess BugChess P2/450 11/15/1999
> Erik van het Hof, NL - contact hof on ICC
>
>cyclone echelon K6-3/450 10/25/1999
> Scott Gasch, USA - contact http://wannabe.guru.org/scott/chess.html
>
>EXchess EXchess P3/500 7/10/1999
> Dan Homan, USA - contact
>http://pc.astro.brandeis.edu/BRAG/people/dch/chess.html
>
>Grok Grok K6-3/450 7/10/1999
> Peter Kappler, USA - contact pyro on icc
>
>gambitmaster Bringer P2/300 7/10/1999
> Gerrit Reubold, GER - contact http://www.online.de/home/reubold
>
>GKJunior GKJunior P2/350 11/22/1999
> Tijs van Dam, NL - contact tijs@weblogistiek.nl
>
>Galahadx Galahad K6-2/400 10/25/1999
> James Swafford, USA - contact http://members.xoom.com/jswaff/galahad/
>
>Hossa Hossa P2/350 7/10/1999
> Steffen A. Jakob, AUT - contact http://www.jakob.at/steffen/hossa.html
>
>inmichess Inmichess K6-2/450 7/10/1999
> Werner Inmann, AUT - contact http://members.magnet.at/werner.inmann
>
>JudgeTurpin Diep P2/266 7/10/1999
> Vincent Diepeveen, NL - contact SweenyTod on ICC
www.diepchess.com
>LittleGoliath LittleGoliath K6-2/350 7/10/1999
> Michael Borgstaedt, --- - contact spobor@cityweb.de233
>
>lambchop LambChop P2/366 11/8/1999
> Peter McKenzie, NZ - contact http://www.caverock.co.nz/~peter
>
>MissSilicon Nut K6/450 7/10/1999
> Andrew Dados, USA - contact frakir@netzero.net
>
>master-tal CSTal P2/300 7/10/1999
> Chris Whittington, UK - contact pete on ICC
>
>nudode Comet Cyrix 333 7/10/1999
> Ulrich Tuerke, --- - contact edode on ICC
>
>occam Occam P/360 7/10/1999
> Don Dailey, USA - contact drd@mit.edu
>
>PostModernist PostModernist P3/450 7/10/1999
> Andrew Williams, UK - contact CtID on ICC
>
>RedBear CSTal Cel/400 7/10/1999
> Chris Whittington, UK - contact RoterBaer on ICC
>
>triskelon Diep p2/400 dual 11/15/1999
> Vincent Diepeveen, NL - contact specwar on ICC
>
>Topolino The Crazy Bishop P/200 9/13/1999
> Remi Coulom, FRA - contact ditolla on ICC
>
>TheTao Tao Celeron/466 11/1/1999
> Bas Hamstra, NL - contact bas.hamstra@wxs.nl
>
>Talmoves CSTal Athln/600 7/10/1999
> Chris Whittington, UK - contact beauman on ICC
>
>zchess1 ZChess Cel/450 7/10/1999
> Franck Zibi, FRA - contact http://www.worldnet.net/~fzibi/zchess.htm
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