Author: blass uri
Date: 14:41:43 12/12/99
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On December 12, 1999 at 14:54:27, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >On December 12, 1999 at 13:29:29, Amir Ban wrote: > >>On December 12, 1999 at 09:48:31, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >> >>Dear Enrique, > >Hi Amir, > >>I'm surprised to read that you subscribe to this fast vs. knowledge nonsense, >>which is as false as it is popular. > >It is not that I subscribe or unsubscribe. It is just that as a flower collector >I do not know if it makes sense or not. I see hints in both directions and >realize that I have no idea, and that's why I posted about it. Talking to other >programmers I hear both sides: ones, agreeing ardently with you; others, >opposing with equal passion. > >> The simple truth is that all programs are as >>fast as their author can make them, and have as much knowledge as their author >>practically knows how to put in them. > >Are you sure? I see some evidence to the contrary, particularly in the endings. >Some of the strongest engines have no idea about such elementary stuff as bad >bishops or Philidor endings. I also hear that some programmers get rid of >knowledge in order to speed up the search, which causes the horror of other >programmers. It seems that there are two opposite schools of thinking about al >this. > >>>Mind you, I also think that without intuitions, whatever that is, exact, >>>verifiable thinking tends to sterility, so from my let's call it feminine >>>intuition (astrologically I am the intuitive cancer, double cancer in fact, soon >>>triple I guess :(, what crap this astrology), and going back to this comp-comp >>>vs. human-comp discussion, I sometimes wonder. To make it short, when looking at >>>the Rebel-Baburin and Rebel Sherbakov games, I "know" that the fast finders >>>couldn't play as well as Rebel. >> >>Untrue. J6 finds the critical choices in Rebel - Sherbakov to be rather easy, >>and in my opinion understands Baburin - Rebel better than Rebel. It thinks that >>at some points Baburin mishandled a white advantage (e.g. 28. Qc7 ?). > >I don't have it yet, so I can't tell about Junior 6. But would Junior have >played some Rebel moves that defined the game, like 14...Ng4? Only Rebel and >Shredder 4 seem to play this specific kind of game, and Rebel's play was >impressively consistent. Junior5.9 can also find 14...Ng4 After more than 22.5 minutes the main line of Junior5.9 begin with 14...Ng4 15.Be2 Nh6 16.Nc7 Qxg2 17.Qh4 Rb8 18.Bxg7 I did not look at the screen so I do not know when it found Ng4 but Junior on fast hardware can find at tournament time control what Junior5.9 on pentium200 can find in 22.5 minutes. Uri
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