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Subject: Re: Are comments about Crafty 16.6 to harsh or just accurate observations?

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 19:12:39 01/10/00

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On January 10, 2000 at 21:27:06, Mark Young wrote:
>On January 10, 2000 at 20:59:33, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>You've had an axe to grind with Bob before, so your judgment in this matter is
>>somewhat in question to me.
>
>I don't have an axe to grind with Bob, and Bob does not have an axe to grind
>with me. I am doing what I always do when I disagree with posts on CCC. Show
>Data why I think they are WRONG!
>
>>
>>I have seen contests where Crafty has done well.  Indeed, if you look at Andy
>>S.'s current tournament, you will see that Crafty is leading several commercial
>>entrants.  Crafty has done well at all time controls in many different contests.
>
>Please post the results!! If you disagree and think Crafty is on par with the
>top programs show us some data.

WMCCC, Jakarta.  Crafty bests most of the commercial entrants:
http://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/96wm$tix.htm
KK KUP 2, Crafty beats two commercial programs:
http://www.gambitsoft.com/kup.htm
KK KUP 1, Crafty beats commercial programs:
http://www.gambitsoft.com/turnier/kupold.htm

Crafty whips a stand-alone chess computer:
http://www.ixian.com/ead/misc/crafty-vs-novag-super-constellation.shtml

Many excellent results in Shep's tournaments:
http://sccs.8m.com/compchess2.html

Generally considered the strongest winboard program by the experts:
http://amateurschach.in-trier.de/schach/engines/crafty.htm

Crafty did very well in Ed's Chess 2010 contest.

You posted a single game.  Every chess program makes horrible moves from time to
time.  In fact, I do recall a very horrible move crafty made in KKUP 2 (pawn
move in early endgame) that really made me recoil.  But so does every other
program produce toe-curling monstrosities.

>>
>>I am biased as well, since I like Crafty and Bob Hyatt.  Hence, my judgement is
>>questionable on this matter.
>
>I like nor dislike Crafty it is just a chess program. I am just showing why I
>agree with the comments made in the article that is in question. I has nothing
>to do with like or dislike. That is your problem, please don't project your
>feelings and turn them into my motivations to dismiss that data and the point of
>the post.
>
>I have had good things to say about other crafty versions, but the one in
>questions here is Crafty 16.6 and the accuracy of the comment made in the
>article.
>
>>
>>In any case, your whole post looks like a troll to me.
>
>Why is this a troll....I address directly the point of discussion in many of the
>post in the last day, and show data and a game example. If you disagree with the
>data or think the observations are just wrong, show your data. I thought the
>comments were accurate, and show why I think they are accurate.



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