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Subject: Re: Shredder in the SSDF list

Author: Frederic Friedel

Date: 02:40:00 04/13/00

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On April 12, 2000 at 21:56:06, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On April 12, 2000 at 16:52:13, Frederic Friedel wrote:
>
>>Does Consumer Reports have to get permission from the manufacturers of each
>>product whether it can be tested or not? Can and has a manufactuere successfully
>>instructed Consumer Reports not to publish the results of a test? How exactly
>>can you aim to be "independent" if you have to abide by such instructions?
>>
>>Just curious to know.
>
>Consumer Reports does not get the permission from the manufacturers of a product
>before testing it.  In the USA, that is not necessary (and that it isn't
>necessary is already well-tested in the courts ;-).  Consumer Reports purchases
>all products that they test: if sent a free sample by a manufacturer, they
>return it.  They do not even allow their test results to be used in
>advertisements by manufacturers.
>

>In other words, they work _very_ hard at being, and appearing, as impartial as
>possible.
>
>Occasionally, a manufacturer disagrees with the evaluation printed in Consumer
>Reports.  Consumer Reports has been sued by manufacturers before.
>http://www.consumersunion.org/products/SUV/trialend400.htm discusses one case
>that was just decided last week (incidentally the plantiff, the car manufacturer
>Isuzu, lost the suit.)
>
>SSDF is not by any means as large an organization as Consumer Reports.  I am not
>suggesting that they be exactly the same.  For instance, I think it would be
>okay for them to accept free chess software product samples, provided that there
>are _no_ strings attached: for instance, SSDF does not agree to review a product
>(at all, never mind favourably) simply because they received free copies of it.
>
>I suspect that Millennium GmbH would have an extremely tough time winning in
>court against the SSDF if they did publish results for Genuis 6.5, WChess, etc.
>Nonetheless, it appears that they feel that bullying independent citizen groups
>is a successful marketing strategy.  I can only shake my head.
>
>Dave


I think what the SSDF needs is the moral support of the computer chess
community. They are private citizens who for many years have been providing an
invaluable service to this community, at considerable personal expense
(especially in terms of time) and without any personal gain. If they are
attacked they should be vigorously defended, not given dispassionate legal
advice (this does not apply to your post, which provides factual and moral
support). I'm sure Thoralf Karlsson and Bertil Eklund have no desire to spend
months in Swedish and German courts, testing the validity of the advice.



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