Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 15:50:02 04/23/00
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On April 23, 2000 at 16:16:46, Christophe Theron wrote: >On April 23, 2000 at 06:33:59, blass uri wrote: > >>On April 23, 2000 at 04:15:48, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On April 23, 2000 at 00:43:49, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On April 22, 2000 at 18:35:45, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 13:13:00, Chessfun wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Since I never got a reply on what those blitz times were on the >>>>>>previous thread, I played 1 min game, 2 min game, 3 min game and >>>>>>5 min game. >>>>>> >>>>>>I was surprized to read that Crafty 17-10 could beat Fritz 6a >>>>>>in Nunn 1 blitz as no previous version I had was close. >>>>>> >>>>>>All games on Cel 433. >>>>>>Anyone wanting the games email me. >>>>>> >>>>>>1 min game Fritz 6a 14.5 - 5.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>>2 min game Fritz 6a 14.5 - 5.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>>3 min game Fritz 6a 13.0 - 7.0 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>>5 min game Fritz 6a 15.5 - 4.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>That's a very interesting experiment. Please, keep on playing with longer time >>>>>controls. >>>>> >>>>>I'm interested in knowing how programs behave when you change the time controls. >>>>> >>>>>Let's see if the result change drastically with much longer time controls. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christophe >>>> >>>>I have played 10 mins (it's posted now I'm trying 25 then will finish >>>>at 60 mins. >>>> >>>>The original intent was I did not believe the post: >>>>Sensation Crafty 17-10 beats F6 at nunn 1. >>>> >>>>Still don't believe it, don't believe the results or the >>>>games could ever be reporduced. >>>> >>>>The hype around the post was all of course it's natural, >>>>then when F6 wins it's, well, it's only blitz. >>>> >>>>Crafty is a fine program, but sometimes there is IMO >>>>a little bit too much of biased hype surrounding it's >>>>results. >>>> >>>>Thanks. >>> >>> >>>I bet that you'll get the same result (inside the mathematical error margin), >>>whatever time control you use. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >>I believe that if you do enough games you will not get the same result. >> >>It seems that Crafty is better at long time control. >> >>Based on blitz results you were right that Crafty is 100 elo weaker than the top >>programs but it seems based on the ssdf games that Crafty is not 100 elo weaker >>than the top programs at tournament time control inspite of the fact that crafty >>does not like the ssdf hardware and could earn more 20 elo rating if it used >>pentium instead of K6III-450. >> >>Crafty is only 97 elo weaker than top Fritz6a and Fritz6a is better than the >>average top program. >> >>Maybe the results of blitz games and tournament games do not prove with 95% >>confidence that crafty is better at long time control but I guess that it is >>only because of the fact that the ssdf do not have enough games. >> >>Uri > > >So you say that Crafty is better at long time controls, but pratically we will >never know because it is unlikely that enough games will be played to confirm >your statement. > >In this case I think it is much better to assume that Crafty is not better than >his opponents at long time controls. > >That's a simple matter of economy: when it's not necessary to introduce a new >rule to a model, just don't introduce any new rule. > >Introducing fancy new rules everywhere is in my opinion obscurantism. > >When you have evidence that the model is incomplete to describe what happens in >reality, add a rule. > >When you have evidence that Crafty is better than other programs at long time >controls, just tell us. > >But until that, I don't believe in your proposition. > > > Christophe You overlook some important data. Ed ran some games with a monster time control. Do you recall how those came out???
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