Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 14:51:34 05/20/00
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On May 20, 2000 at 16:34:12, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>On May 20, 2000 at 16:03:59, blass uri wrote:
>
>>You suggest to change the rules and it is not fair.
>
>They are _not_ rules. Rules are made with the consent of everyone involved.
>You're talking about common practice.
>
>>The idea to give programs to play without opening book has the same problem.
>>It is not fair to decide about a new rule when part of the players(in this case
>>the programmers are the players) are not ready for it.
>
>The programmers are not players.
>
>>Another problems with the idea is that there is no way to check that there is no
>>hidden opening book.
>
>Of course there is. If the tournament organisers supply the hardware and check
>the files before tournament start. I think it's practically possible to agree on
>a certain file standard that would make cheating difficult.
No, what you are suggesting is practically impossible. It's like asking a human
player to forget everything about the opening theory. You cannot be sure he will
obey, and there is no way to check.
I have already suggested some time ago that the power of computers playing in
human tournaments should simply be limited.
Restrictions on the number of processor(s), speed of processor, and total memory
size (including hard disk). And even restriction on the power consumption.
This could maybe make the GMs less angry about computers, and boost the
programmer's creativity.
If we do not do that, then
1) Programmers will simply work to stuff more processors into a PC box and make
them work together (and find a way to cool down the thing).
2) Computers will be banned from human tournaments.
I don't really care about the restrictions, I'll follow them as soon as they are
applied to any computer opponent.
Christophe
>>There are conditions in the first place.
>>
>>Junior played with opening book in the tournaments when it played against
>>humans.
>>
>>Telling it to play without them is changing the conditions.
>
>You're confusing common practice with written rules. There are no written rules
>regarding this subject AFAIK. There are no limitations and no requirements, ergo
>there are no rules except the ones agreed upon from tournament to tournament. No
>consistency IMO.
>
>>I do not know a single tournament when programs did not have the right to use
>>opening books against humans.
>
>Neither do I, but is that an argument not to? I don't think so.
>
>>Programs use opening books against other programs in important tournaments like
>>the world computer championship and the ssdf games.
>
>Yes, because they compete on equal terms. Human vs. Computer are apples and
>oranges and require rules governed by thought not common practice and money.
>
>Sincerely,
>Mogens
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