Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:09:58 11/08/00
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On November 08, 2000 at 16:25:43, Wieland Belka wrote: >On November 07, 2000 at 17:36:35, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 07, 2000 at 17:01:16, Wieland Belka wrote: >> >>>On November 07, 2000 at 10:30:06, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On November 07, 2000 at 06:56:01, Wieland Belka wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 05, 2000 at 09:42:40, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 05, 2000 at 06:09:28, Wieland Belka wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On November 04, 2000 at 23:58:39, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On November 04, 2000 at 12:59:23, Wieland Belka wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Posted by Robert Hyatt on November 03, 2000 at 20:53:12: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In Reply to: Re: Crafty 17.13 - using game archives by engines? posted by >>>>>>>>>Wieland Belka on November 03, 2000 at 18:19:53: >>>>>>>>>On November 03, 2000 at 18:19:53, Wieland Belka wrote: >On November 02, 2000 at >>>>>>>>>14:25:48, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On November 02, 2000 at 13:22:08, Wieland Belka wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hello Crafty friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>using opening books it's a great part of Crafty's strong playing, well. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>1. How could I complete Crafty's book with specific opening stuff? >>>>>>>>>>>>>2. Can Crafty profit from any game archives? If yes, on which way? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Can anybody help? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Wieland >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>This is not hard to do... you can use _any_ collection of PGN games >>>>>>>>>>>>you want, in order to build an opening book that covers the specific >>>>>>>>>>>>openings you want to play against. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>We already have 2M game collections available. My ftp machine is full >>>>>>>>>>>>of pgn files... The problem is "quality". not "quantity". The pgn has >>>>>>>>>>>>typos, games by patzers, horrible blunders, openings that have been busted, >>>>>>>>>>>>and so forth. Learning will help, but it definitely takes time. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Bob, thanks for reply! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>You are right, of course, because of the quality of collections of PGN games. >>>>>>>>>>>But I meant: If I had a little, but good collection to a specific rare opening, >>>>>>>>>>>on which way could I *complete* Crafty's original book? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>The way to do this is to take the original PGN, and then _add_ to it with the stuff you want to >use. In fact, the books.bin file is made to add to in this fashion, leaving book.bin to be a >large "backup" for when books.bin is >>>>>>>>>>no longer useful. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>What do you mean with _add_? A command? Unknown by your command list v. 17.XX! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>There is no "add command". You have to have the original PGN file used to >>>>>>>>create the book, then to this file you "add" the new pgn you want included. >>>>>>>>You do this with any editor of your choice. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>And my second ask: Is it the right way to produce own openings books with *your* >>>>>>>>>>>collections of PGN games on your ftp server? The way for that is clear, but is >>>>>>>>>>>it well? Or is your Crafty opening book already the best solution? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>regards Wieland >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>What I do now is _not_ optimal. It needs a lot more work, which will happen >>>>>>>>>>over the next year or two. I don't believe in hand-crafted books, as they >>>>>>>>>>require too much human labor. But they are difficult to beat, without a _lot_ >>>>>>>>>>of work... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Bob, I'm a new fan of your Crafty! But the only thing I have is your command >>>>>>>>>list v. 17.XX!! >>>>>>>>>What are you telling me?! Is it possible to complete your opening book >>>>>>>>>"book.bin" with own serious PGN game collections? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>regards Wieland >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>yes. building the book simply sucks in a big pgn file. You can put _anything_ >>>>>>>>into that file that you think is appropriate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bob, please, sorry, but we are turning in a cycle again! ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I only wanted to say: The way to create an own opening book is clear. But I >>>>>>>asked after a solution (Crafty commands!) to *complete* Crafty's book! Your >>>>>>>command list v. 17.XX is not telling about it! >>>>>>>By the way: I do not know exactly meaning of "book.bin" here and "books.bin" on >>>>>>>the other side. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>There is no command to "complete" crafty's book. You can only create a >>>>>>book from raw PGN. Not add to it. Before you create the book, you can >>>>>>put _anything_ in the pgn file. Then after you create the book from this >>>>>>pgn file, you will have a book with the moves you want included. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Okay, now I understood. I can not complete your existing Crafty's opening books >>>>>directly. >>>>>And the other way: Is it possible to create a PGN file from your "book.bin" to >>>>>complete with my stuff and create a new Crafty book.bin? >>>>> >>>> >>>>No. the hashing is non-reversible. But the original PGN file is already >>>>available on my ftp machine (enormous.pgn is the file you want, it is broken >>>>into pieces to make it easier to download). >>>> >>> >>>Thanks, Bob! Now I'm knowing really more than before! The last ones: >>>1. What parameter do you recommend creating a really good new book.bin for >>>Crafty? >>> And books.bin?? >> >>I don't believe that (at present) it is possible to create a "really good book" >>from pgn game collections. There are too many mistakes, blunders, refuted >>moves, and so forth. >> >>This is a tough problem to do automatically. >> > >But you have done so, too?! > >>>2. Is your "enormous.pgn" better than Dann Corbit's PGN opening folders under >>> ftp://cap.connx.com/pub/a-openings/ and following? > >>No idea. Dan knows what I have. I believe what I have came from what he >>has, which means if you combine all his stuff you get the file I use. > > >And you do not know that?? Who did deliver "enormous.pgn"? I only ask to know >which chances I have to create own opening books ... I believe Dann put all of that together...
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