Author: Jonas Cohonas
Date: 12:21:07 04/11/01
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On April 11, 2001 at 14:59:56, Dann Corbit wrote: >On April 11, 2001 at 12:36:34, Paul Doire wrote: > >> >>One thing is for certain in this forum, if you take the time to run your >>own tourneys or tests, and then take the time to post your results here at this >>forum for everyones benefit, it is certain that someone will ridicule your >>efforts, and many times many more than one person. > >Are you sure that criticism == ridicule? I think you are mistaken. > >>This is a public forum and is not RUN by a certain few who think their opinion >>is actual fact. I know as someone who has posted here a number of times in the >>last year (that is the length of my experience with this forum)that this can be >>an extraordinarily unfriendly place, and a definite deterrent to any new >>posters. > >That much is certainly true, but this forum is far friendlier than most internet >forums -- for example news:rec.games.chess.computer springs to mind. > >>I read this everyday and I can't believe the rude, arrogant answers >>and comments which unfortunately are commonplace. I believe that is why you see >>the same names time after time and very rarely see any new posts from new people >>that last for any length of time. The goal here is apparently to railroad >>everyone out of "Dodge". > >If someone disagrees, that is as much a part of discussion as being able to >propose a controversial opinion. Do you assume that because someone disagrees >that they want you to leave? If someone runs away from that, then they are the >lowest form of coward. > >>This is the sad part of computer chess, although it is one of my hobbies, it >>sickens me to see the fragile egos of so many speaking so loudly that newcomers >>will surely find a friendlier place to discuss computer chess. > >Friendlier? How friendly a forum is -- is purely a function of its members. If >one thousand people simultaneously shout someone down for being rude, then >chances are good that person will stop being rude. Of couse, the rude person >may have been the only one in the cluster who was right, so the silence may have >come at great cost. In addition, there are formal guidelines to control our >behavior within acceptable limits. > >To sterilize the forum in such a way that nobody is allowed to say anything >negative is such a bad idea that if it ever happened, it would be a tragedy. > >On the other, other hand -- you do have a good point. We can be contrary and >still be civil about it. On the other, other, other hand -- we should not >become offended at every contrary remark. A wise man once said, "The taking of >offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid one." > >>I am glad that my interest is the same as those that frequent this place,but I >>am equally glad that my personality is not the same as the ruthless, arrogant >>bastards that blow everyone off this board. > >This (the above) is the epitomy of rutheless arrogance. In fact, it is one of >the most ruthless and arrogant statements I have ever read on this board. On >the other hand, I don't think it is so horrible that it ought to be censored, >even though you have accused some large fraction of the readership in the most >negative way. > >>This forum will always be the "Little Club" it is for there is no foresight >>about how to grow this into something as large and wonderful as this could be. > >If you know how to make a better one, I suggest that you do it. If you know how >to improve this one, then please offer the suggestions. > >>I have a new word for those who like to blast all off the board, >>it is.......FRIENDLY. > >Friendly is a good idea. > >>You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Learn a lesson. > >The acutal quotation from Poor Richard's Almanac is: "You can catch more flies >with a teaspoon of sugar than with a gallon of vinegar." > >Now, does this mean that people should never disagree with you? Does this mean >that you should become offended because someone has a contrary opinion? > >Posting to USENET (anywhere on USENET) means that you should grow a 2 inch thick >skin. > >IMO-YMMV To disagree and being rude is two different things and i read paul's post as being about the rudeness that seems to prevail here at times and not the fact that, when you voice your opinions people will either agree or disagree, but when you disagree then do it in a polite way and dont be rude. I found paul's post to very relevant and i did not take offence to any of his points. "I am glad that my interest is the same as those that frequent this place,but I am equally glad that my personality is not the same as the ruthless, arrogant bastards that blow everyone off this board."(paul) >"This (the above) is the epitomy of rutheless arrogance. In fact, it is one of >the most ruthless and arrogant statements I have ever read on this board. On >the other hand, I don't think it is so horrible that it ought to be censored, >even though you have accused some large fraction of the readership in the most >negative way."(dan) If you read the last part in paul's statement, it is only directed to people here, few or many i don't know, who only voice their opinion in a negative way and i see nothing arrogant or ruthless in pointing that out, it seems like someone has to make it a point since some people here cannot see that for themselves. Regards Jonas
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