Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 21:25:08 04/16/01
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On April 16, 2001 at 22:24:45, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>On April 16, 2001 at 19:01:03, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On April 16, 2001 at 14:14:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
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>>>On April 16, 2001 at 13:21:21, Chris Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>>Let the single chip programs play. If confidence is so high that they are not
>>>>good enough, then fine. They are swept aside! But at least they have had their
>>>>chance! Ed has got a good program, so Does Christophe. Not to mention a score
>>>>of other programs, that given the chance to play, will at least be there! To
>>>>exclude them from the start of the race, is strange. Unless of course it has
>>>>all been decided. Hows' that for a selective search?
>>>>If the likes of Rebel Century or The Tigers, fail to qualify, at least you will
>>>>have the "Strongest" to go on and play Kramnik. And the people who say they were
>>>>not strong enough, will be able to say "Told you so" If one of the single chip
>>>>programs does win through, it will be because they had the opportunity
>>>>to take part.
>>>>
>>>>Chris Taylor
>>>
>>>
>>>I totally disagree. There is exactly _one_ program that should be playing
>>>Kramnik. Shredder. Shredder has won all of the recent computer chess
>>>tournaments. It is the current world champion. There is _absolutely_ no
>>>reason to suggest that a playoff for the right to play Kramnik is needed. In
>>>fact, the suggestion is really insulting to SMK and Shredder. If a program
>>>didn't participate in the last WMCCC event, then I conclude that Shredder is
>>>better and the author was afraid to participate and lose. And by doing that,
>>>he gave up the opportunity to take part in this match.
>>>
>>>I don't understand why there is _any_ sort of playoff under discussion, other
>>>than it is politically/marketing related. yes a newer program might be a bit
>>>better than the older Shredder that won the last WMCCC. But the new Shredder
>>>could well be better than that. closed-door back room tournaments are _not_
>>>the way to handle this.
>>>
>>>The idea is embarassing, to say the least. When we won the 1983 WCCC event,
>>>nobody questioned who should play David Levy that year. The same logic should
>>>apply now, and SMK/Shredder should play, whether he uses a 486/33 or an 8-way
>>>xeon/900.
>>>
>>>Seems that commercial computer chess companies are just as bloodthirsty now as
>>>they were 20 years ago. And have just as few principles now as then.
>>
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>>By this reasonning, the program that must play against Kramnik is the WMCCC 2000
>>SHREDDER ON A SINGLE CPU. Because this is the program which won the 2000 WMCCC.
>>
>>Allowing another version of the program or the hardware (in particular in the
>>number of processors) is allowing an unknown entity to take part to the match.
>>In this case, I do not see why other unknown entities would not be allowed to
>>take part as well.
>>
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>>
>> Christophe
>
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>I don't follow that twisted reasoning at all. IE if shredder won on a PIII/500,
>and can now use a PIII/1000, why should it not use that? It would _obviously_
>be even stronger. Ditto for a multiple-cpu machine.
>
>The _program_ and _author_ earned the right to play this match. That program
>_should_ play. And it should use the fastest hardware platform it can use.
>
>As far as unknown entities, you had the chance to participate and become the
>world computer chess champion. You didn't compete. SMK did. I believe that
>gives him the right as silicon world champion to compete with the carbon
>world champion. You don't get to duck the tough events then try to cash in on
>the publicity in such a match later. SMK took the chance, won the WMCCC and
>WCCC events, and is the _obvious_ choice for any match.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
Do you mean that because I did not participate in the last WMCCC I have nothing
to claim?
Chess Tiger took part in the 2000 WMCCC. It even finished 3rd...
Christophe
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