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Subject: Re: Crafty in a GM tournament on Chess.Net

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:32:56 04/25/98

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On April 26, 1998 at 00:21:19, Don Dailey wrote:

>On April 25, 1998 at 22:31:53, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>I posted this on r.g.c.c, and thought I'd also put it here for
>>reference.
>>
>>Late this week, Roman called and asked if I'd be willing to let my
>>"four-processor monster" (his words) play in a tournament on chess.net
>>with him, GM Larry Christiansen and GM Yasser Sierawan.  The time
>>control was a "Fischer-like" 10 10 (10 minutes on the clock, 10
>>seconds added after each move.)
>>
>>We played 4 games today, the intent being that this ends up as a
>>double-round-robin.  In rounds 1/2 Crafty played Roman, starting
>>with white in round 1, which it won after playing a really nice
>>endgame that a couple of IM's declared drawn even though Crafty
>>was up material.  In round two, Roman tried his favorite computer-
>>busting "London system" but things got *real* interesting.  He
>>castled long (as white) after crafty castled king-side, and he
>>unleashed the usual pawn-storm.  But rather than defending, Crafty
>>chose to counter-attack on the queenside, and forced a perpetual as
>>white had to accept or get mated...  after two games, 1.5/2.0 for
>>Crafty.  Roman was obviously .5/2.0, Yasser was 1.5/2.0 vs Larry and
>>Larry was tied with Roman at .5/2.0 of course.
>>
>>In rounds three and four, Crafty was paired against Larry.  As white,
>>it attacked right from the get-go and basically beheaded him in nice
>>style in a *really* unusual position (white castled long, black short,
>>both started pawn-storming.  Crafty's storm had bigger clouds.  :))
>>In round 4 Crafty was black, and won material but ended in a drawn
>>position.
>>
>>After 4 rounds, Crafty has 3.0/4.0, Yasser has 3.0/4.0, Larry and
>>Roman both have 1.0/4.0...  So either Crafty or Yasser will win the
>>tournament, and the worst that could happen would be that one wins
>>both games, and in the other match one of those wins both games,
>>meaning either crafty or yasser will win, or do no worse than tied for
>>second...
>>
>>Before you start the "but you said no computers could play GM-class
>>chess"...  just remember that this is 10 10, which is something like
>>game/30 except there is no sudden death to avoid...
>
>
>Hi Bob,
>
>Again, as I mentioned in a previous post, I think you over-rate the
>time control advantage for computers.   I do not deny that computers
>are better relative to humans at faster time controls, this is well
>known.   But 10-10 is starting to get pretty comfortable for human
>players.
>
>If a computer is indeed in the same league as some given player at
>10-10,  you should not expect to be completely outclassed at tournament
>time controls.  The humans will certainly play MUCH stronger at 40/2 but
>so will Crafty.  In my opinion the difference is not as HUGE as you
>would have us believe.
>
>- Don



I think it's bigger than you think.  IE I personally would expect to
lose
at least 3 of every 4 games at 40/2 vs a GM like Larry or Roman.  Yet
both
are maybe 2600 level...  when I lose 3 of 4 (which means I win 1 of 4
which
is not a bad results when you think about it) guess where my rating ends
up?

2400, that's where...  and that's 150 points below what it takes to be
called a GM...



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