Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 11:39:43 11/05/01
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On November 05, 2001 at 07:56:42, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On November 04, 2001 at 14:52:47, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > >not restarting your program is allowed, i fail to find that >anywhere in the tournament rules. > >if you use winboard, face reality then. You'll lose on flag >before it's even clear that your engine blows the position. > >Thomas Mayer has found some kind of nerd solution to not lose on time. >Well either write your own interface, hack winboard like Bruce Moreland >did for the world champs, find a nerd solution like Thomas did, >or don't use winboard! > >I never used it in the tournaments i played when diep was a console >application only. Note that initially it wasn't even allowed to make >time corrections. Now it's allowed to synchronize time, which is a good >thing. Next tournament you want to restart your engine? > >O wait here it goes cool. Bob's quad doesn't have my own EGTBs. Nalimov >code doesn't compile on gcc 3.0.2, so the reason i didn't run 4x 700 last >weekend but my own 800Mhz machine (note a dual AMD, as the mainboard >stopped working suddenly) was because i have 3.0.2 installed here at home. Why not compile on my quad. I use 2.95.2 still and it compiles all the EGTB stuff just fine... > >So at Bobs machine i couldn't use EGTBs at all, apart from the fact that >i could only allocate 32MB ram there. shmmax was set to 400000000. In fact, I found at least one 320000000mb shared segment left lying around after you finished. Perhaps you couldn't get another until you released that one. (ipcrm) > >Restarting diep with an old diep version that was compiled with gcc 3.0.0 >which does compile nalimov egtb.cpp file, would of course solve that problem. > >Even only restarting it at my own 800Mhz machine with egtbs in far >endgame would solve that problem. > >That isn't allowed either is it? > >Let's see: > paderborn99 i used diep in console and not in winboard > world champs 99 i used diep in console and not in xboard > dutch champs 99 i used diep in console and not with xboard > paderborn2000 i used diep in console and not with xboard > world champs2000 i used diep in console and not with winboard > in world champs 2000 blitz i used diep in console. That was hell, > but i had to do it that way, i had no other options. > paderborn2001 i used diep in console and not with xboard > i-csvn2001 i used diep in console and not with xboard > world champs 2001 i used my own GUI and because i never tested it in blitz > i missed world title blitz by some few seconds as the interface needed > like 5 seconds anyway to just start search. So i forfeited chanceless > against goliath one last round. > >Now i play Tao, and he uses winboard. So he takes risk. When i arrived >in tournament hall (i had to play national competition at the same day >and i had lost) i took over operating DIEP again. Bas couldn't complain >about losing much time in the start of the game, but when i took over >in the 2 bishops for diep against Tao Rook and 2 pawns endgame (and some >other material) endgame, then i warned him after a few moves that time >was a crucial factor. > >For years i played in console as you can see above. Many people always >forfeited, i was even laughed at in CCC when i forfeited against junior >in WMCC2000. Now i win on time because of something which i always prevented >by playing in textmode. Playing in textmode/console is hard. Now i must >be such a stupid guy to offer my opponent a draw because he is that stupid, >apart from the fact that just like the tournament before he could lose >the game again for some silly suicide reason of the engine? > >Remember tournament before this i won against tao from a position where >i was a queen down. Hardly compensation, but then it was a draw. then >after some time i still won. > >Now i have endgame, guy begging for a draw. he forfeits before even proving >whether his engine is improved. I take the point of course, just like others >took my point and just like i had suffered all these years for running in >textmode as i had a winboard engines for some years. > >If you use winboard, you take a RISK. If that still isn't clear, i advice >to use winboard without preparations next tournament. > >Bas had before game allocated only 10 minutes operator time for the whole >game. Game was near 90 moves or so. In short he shouldn't complain. If >i would have wanted him to forfeit on time he would have forfeited at move >50 or so. > >>On November 03, 2001 at 18:01:24, Bas Hamstra wrote: >> >>>Against Diep Winboard's clock was slightly out of sync with the real clock. >>>Don't ever let that happen! Amazing how fast the difference grows and you CAN'T >>>adjust the clock in Winboard. A couple of minutes difference is *deadly*. And, >>>though it is allowed to adjust the engine clock, apparently it is not allowed to >>>restart Winboard+engine with a corrected time. Vincent was the first to point >>>that out to the tournament directors. "Not allowed! If I can't restart my engine >>>for table bases, HE can't bla bla bla..." (Tao +0.90 Diep +0.001 but drawish >>>IMO). Whatever I would have done in this situation, *not* this pityful "no no, >>>not allowed!". The 30 nullmoves from Diep that followed to push Tao through the >>>flag I can forgive, but not the "nono". >> >>I personally strongly disagreed with the arbiters decision not to allow >>you to correct the clock. If that requires restarting WinBoard, so what? >> >>Vincent's comment is nonsense. The arbiter was there, he saw what you >>were doing. He would have seen you changing options in the engine if >>you did so. Synchronising the clock is expressly _allowed_ by the rules. >> >>Another thing is that in the game Sjeng-XiniX I accidentally started >>without setting my 'operatortime'. I called the arbiter and he allowed >>it. So why wouldn't he allow it there? >> >>If it weren't for the fact that you were running on a laptop, I >>would have *gladly* asked Miss Winboard to 'accidentally' flip >>the wrong switch again ;) >> >>-- >>GCP
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