Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 04:56:42 11/05/01
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On November 04, 2001 at 14:52:47, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: not restarting your program is allowed, i fail to find that anywhere in the tournament rules. if you use winboard, face reality then. You'll lose on flag before it's even clear that your engine blows the position. Thomas Mayer has found some kind of nerd solution to not lose on time. Well either write your own interface, hack winboard like Bruce Moreland did for the world champs, find a nerd solution like Thomas did, or don't use winboard! I never used it in the tournaments i played when diep was a console application only. Note that initially it wasn't even allowed to make time corrections. Now it's allowed to synchronize time, which is a good thing. Next tournament you want to restart your engine? O wait here it goes cool. Bob's quad doesn't have my own EGTBs. Nalimov code doesn't compile on gcc 3.0.2, so the reason i didn't run 4x 700 last weekend but my own 800Mhz machine (note a dual AMD, as the mainboard stopped working suddenly) was because i have 3.0.2 installed here at home. So at Bobs machine i couldn't use EGTBs at all, apart from the fact that i could only allocate 32MB ram there. Restarting diep with an old diep version that was compiled with gcc 3.0.0 which does compile nalimov egtb.cpp file, would of course solve that problem. Even only restarting it at my own 800Mhz machine with egtbs in far endgame would solve that problem. That isn't allowed either is it? Let's see: paderborn99 i used diep in console and not in winboard world champs 99 i used diep in console and not in xboard dutch champs 99 i used diep in console and not with xboard paderborn2000 i used diep in console and not with xboard world champs2000 i used diep in console and not with winboard in world champs 2000 blitz i used diep in console. That was hell, but i had to do it that way, i had no other options. paderborn2001 i used diep in console and not with xboard i-csvn2001 i used diep in console and not with xboard world champs 2001 i used my own GUI and because i never tested it in blitz i missed world title blitz by some few seconds as the interface needed like 5 seconds anyway to just start search. So i forfeited chanceless against goliath one last round. Now i play Tao, and he uses winboard. So he takes risk. When i arrived in tournament hall (i had to play national competition at the same day and i had lost) i took over operating DIEP again. Bas couldn't complain about losing much time in the start of the game, but when i took over in the 2 bishops for diep against Tao Rook and 2 pawns endgame (and some other material) endgame, then i warned him after a few moves that time was a crucial factor. For years i played in console as you can see above. Many people always forfeited, i was even laughed at in CCC when i forfeited against junior in WMCC2000. Now i win on time because of something which i always prevented by playing in textmode. Playing in textmode/console is hard. Now i must be such a stupid guy to offer my opponent a draw because he is that stupid, apart from the fact that just like the tournament before he could lose the game again for some silly suicide reason of the engine? Remember tournament before this i won against tao from a position where i was a queen down. Hardly compensation, but then it was a draw. then after some time i still won. Now i have endgame, guy begging for a draw. he forfeits before even proving whether his engine is improved. I take the point of course, just like others took my point and just like i had suffered all these years for running in textmode as i had a winboard engines for some years. If you use winboard, you take a RISK. If that still isn't clear, i advice to use winboard without preparations next tournament. Bas had before game allocated only 10 minutes operator time for the whole game. Game was near 90 moves or so. In short he shouldn't complain. If i would have wanted him to forfeit on time he would have forfeited at move 50 or so. >On November 03, 2001 at 18:01:24, Bas Hamstra wrote: > >>Against Diep Winboard's clock was slightly out of sync with the real clock. >>Don't ever let that happen! Amazing how fast the difference grows and you CAN'T >>adjust the clock in Winboard. A couple of minutes difference is *deadly*. And, >>though it is allowed to adjust the engine clock, apparently it is not allowed to >>restart Winboard+engine with a corrected time. Vincent was the first to point >>that out to the tournament directors. "Not allowed! If I can't restart my engine >>for table bases, HE can't bla bla bla..." (Tao +0.90 Diep +0.001 but drawish >>IMO). Whatever I would have done in this situation, *not* this pityful "no no, >>not allowed!". The 30 nullmoves from Diep that followed to push Tao through the >>flag I can forgive, but not the "nono". > >I personally strongly disagreed with the arbiters decision not to allow >you to correct the clock. If that requires restarting WinBoard, so what? > >Vincent's comment is nonsense. The arbiter was there, he saw what you >were doing. He would have seen you changing options in the engine if >you did so. Synchronising the clock is expressly _allowed_ by the rules. > >Another thing is that in the game Sjeng-XiniX I accidentally started >without setting my 'operatortime'. I called the arbiter and he allowed >it. So why wouldn't he allow it there? > >If it weren't for the fact that you were running on a laptop, I >would have *gladly* asked Miss Winboard to 'accidentally' flip >the wrong switch again ;) > >-- >GCP
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