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Subject: Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:31:37 04/15/02

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On April 15, 2002 at 12:46:19, Uri Blass wrote:

>On April 15, 2002 at 12:29:47, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 15, 2002 at 12:24:08, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>On April 15, 2002 at 11:52:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 15, 2002 at 08:56:27, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 15, 2002 at 08:17:04, Claudio A. Amorim wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>So, are these the programs supposed to play at a 2700 level? Sure, they win many
>>>>>>games against strong humans, but... Where is their chess competency? Shredder´s
>>>>>>errors against Smirin were so elementary that they would not fit well in a
>>>>>>strong club player´s blitz game.
>>>>>
>>>>>Let's not go crazy over ONE game! we need to ask these questions after the
>>>>>match, also you can not say "So, are these the programs supposed to play at a
>>>>>2700 level?" when this is a games based on one programs performance!
>>>>>Other than that i agree, it was not pretty...
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards
>>>>>Jonas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I think the thing that troubles _some_ of us greatly is this question:
>>>>
>>>>"Can you name any GM that would play a single game that looks as bad as
>>>> that one?"
>>>>
>>>>Of course, questions like "OK, how can a program play like a 2600+ in one game
>>>> then play like a 1900- in another game?"  and that _is_ a good question.  But
>>>>as the old proverb goes, "the chain is only as strong as its weakest link."  IE
>>>>Smirin could lose the remainder of the games (not likely of course) and it would
>>>>_still_ be difficult to call this a "GM performance" after a game like that...
>>>>
>>>>GMs do have bad days.  But not _that_ bad.  It perfectly highlighted just how
>>>>weakly programs evaluate king-safety.  _all_ programs...
>>>
>>>So far this is a Shredder problem, if the other programs play as badly then I
>>>will agree with you "Huston we have a problem."
>>
>>Agreed...
>>
>>
>>>
>>>We can not lable all programs the same, I have seen this type of play before
>>>from Shredder that is why I never considered Shredder the best program, no
>>>matter how many WC titles it has won.
>>
>>
>>No idea there.  Winning a WMCCC/WCCC event is different.  Computers don't attack
>>worth a flip.
>
>I disgaree that computers do not attack.
>It is dependent on the program.
>
>There are games when computers even sacrifice material for attack and in this
>game there was no need for sacrifices.
>
>Uri


Show me a computer that _really_ attacks.  I am not talking about just moving
pieces near the opponent's king, or sacrificing a piece for two pawns to get a
couple of open files.  I mean a program that really knows how to attack,
period.  With bishops on opposite corner from the king, clearing the diagonals,
etc.

There just aren't any...



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