Author: Slater Wold
Date: 07:04:47 04/22/02
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On April 22, 2002 at 09:17:57, K. Burcham wrote: > > >most here have witnessed the different levels of program and hardware strength >increases over the years. >the programs used to be looked at as a toy, or a novelty. >then the programs could beat a master. >then the programs could beat a GM but with lots of losses. >it seems now we are witnessing another phase of this growth. >there are more GM losing to programs, but the difference is > that the GM cannot win like he used to. now it seems we are >going through a period of 4 out of 5, GM vs program games, being >drawn. > >i feel that when someone can play 30 games against a variety >of GM's, and draw almost every game, and occasionally win one, >it would be very difficult for me to not call him a GM. > >also we know what the next logical level is here, once we get through >this draw era. i think all here will witness the evolution of this >next level, less draws and more wins. i think in this next level, >it will become acceptable to all, to address programs as GM level. >kburcham There are a few flaws here, I think. If a GM wants a draw against a computer, he gets the draw. Period. Taking chances, and trying to get a win, is where GMs usually lose. This does NOT work against other GMs. I can't remember his name, but I once heard a GM say, about Fischer, "I only wanted a draw, and yet, I resign in 20. Everytime, the same thing. Play for draw, resign a few moves later." Therefore, I think the GM kind of "controls" the computer. Think about this; If Smirin wins, he gets a lot of money. If he draws, he gets a lot of money. If he loses, he gets some money. He's going to get the easy wins, and draw every other game. Not because he can't win, but because he cannot afford to lose. You have to take risks to win against a computer, and those risks probably aren't worth $5k, or something to that effect. Get a 2700 Elo GM, and tell him, "Beat this computer, get $1M. Draw or lose, you get nothing." And you'll see a GM smash a computer. You have to make the prize money ridiculous though, in order to make up for that fact that if he loses, he doesn't get jack. I personally think that computers are, at their best, around 2600 Elo. Which of course, is GM strength. But I also think that #1 - #5 in the world would make these programs look silly. But you'll probably never see that. :(
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