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Subject: Re: DEEP BLUES AVERAGE PLY?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:10:08 08/21/02

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On August 21, 2002 at 09:00:19, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On August 21, 2002 at 08:22:06, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On August 21, 2002 at 08:13:47, emerson tan wrote:
>>
>>>wHATA IS DEEP BLUES AVERAGE PLY LEVEL ON TOURNAMENT TIME CONTROL, I UNDERSTAND
>>>THAT IT CALCULATES 200 MILLION POSITIONS PER SECOND BUT NEVER HEARD OF ITS
>>>AVERAGE PLY. THANKS
>>
>>they estimate it at 126 million nodes a seconda gainst deep blue.
>>
>>It had a nominal search depth (depth limit) of 12 ply. With a lot of
>>tactical extensions a lot of lines were searched at 17 ply though.
>>
>>that's however true for all chess programs. I averaged in DIEP way
>>deeper. It depends basically whether you count hashtable cutoffs with
>>the depth or not. I tend to not count them. In hardware there was not
>>a hashtable.
>>
>>Average search depth says nothing. The nominal search depth is more important.
>>This was 12 ply. So the weakest link were lines of 12 ply simply.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Vincent
>
>
>Deep Blue II did searches with extensions of 17 ply + at 3 min. per move and
>wasn't uncommon to actually hit 22 plys.
>
>Dr. Robert Hyatt watched this with his own eyes, so I'm sure he'll have
>something relevant to say on this matter.

No I won't.  :)  This is a hopeless argument.  Vincent calls the entire group
"liars" when they say 12(6) means 12 plies in software plus another 6 in
hardware.  Since the machine is not operational, all we can do is either believe
the principals or not...  I believe them myself, but others can believe whatever
they want...  it won't make one scintilla of difference to the deep blue story
of course.



>
>Also Deep Blue II at times searched 1,000,000,000 plys a sec. and wasn't all
>that uncommon to do so!
>
>Terry



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