Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:57:51 08/21/02
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On August 21, 2002 at 14:49:00, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 21, 2002 at 13:33:55, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 21, 2002 at 07:49:10, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On August 20, 2002 at 20:27:18, martin fierz wrote: >>> >>>In these days all programs were so bad that games were decided by >>>who didn't give away most pieces *usually*. >>> >>>So in that respect all games from then are biased as the level of >>>*every* participant was 600 points lower than they are now. >> >>That's wrong. We had >2200 programs back then. Belle was > 2200 in 1983. >>In 1984 Cray Blitz was 2250 officially. Hitech was almost 2500 officially. >>Deep Thought was >2600 officially. All of those "official" ratings were earned >>by playing only humans, comp vs comp was never rated officially by any >>organization we dealt with... > >Fritz3(p90) had also IM norm against humans but if you >look at it's ssdf rating you can see more than 400 >elo difference relative to the top programs. > >If you remember that A1200 that is used by the ssdf is not >the best hardware you can say that Fritz3(p90) is almost 600 elo weaker than >the top programs of today in comp-comp games. > >Fritz3(p90) played in 1995. > >Most Programs that played against deep thought played >when p90 was not available. > >Uri The discussion was about deep thought/deep blue. It was not horribly better than _all_ its electronic opponents. Against the micros, yes it was pretty hopeless. But there were lots of opponents they played that were not on micros. Myself. Hitech. Lachex. Waycool. *socrates. You name it...
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