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Subject: Re: positions when deep thought blundered

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 14:57:51 08/21/02

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On August 21, 2002 at 14:49:00, Uri Blass wrote:

>On August 21, 2002 at 13:33:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On August 21, 2002 at 07:49:10, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On August 20, 2002 at 20:27:18, martin fierz wrote:
>>>
>>>In these days all programs were so bad that games were decided by
>>>who didn't give away most pieces *usually*.
>>>
>>>So in that respect all games from then are biased as the level of
>>>*every* participant was 600 points lower than they are now.
>>
>>That's wrong.  We had >2200 programs back then.  Belle was > 2200 in 1983.
>>In 1984 Cray Blitz was 2250 officially. Hitech was almost 2500 officially.
>>Deep Thought was >2600 officially.  All of those "official" ratings were earned
>>by playing only humans, comp vs comp was never rated officially by any
>>organization we dealt with...
>
>Fritz3(p90) had also IM norm against humans but if you
>look at it's ssdf rating you can see more than 400
>elo difference relative to the top programs.
>
>If you remember that A1200 that is used by the ssdf is not
>the best hardware you can say that Fritz3(p90) is almost 600 elo weaker than
>the top programs of today in comp-comp games.
>
>Fritz3(p90) played in 1995.
>
>Most Programs that played against deep thought played
>when p90 was not available.
>
>Uri


The discussion was about deep thought/deep blue.  It was not horribly better
than _all_ its electronic opponents.  Against the micros, yes it was pretty
hopeless.  But there were lots of opponents they played that were not on
micros.  Myself.  Hitech.  Lachex.  Waycool.  *socrates.  You name it...




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