Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 08:03:11 09/09/02
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On September 09, 2002 at 10:12:44, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On September 09, 2002 at 08:59:25, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>I don't agree. I _knew_ Tinsley. (...) >>He was convinced beyond a shadow of doubt that The final Chinook was better >>than he was, because of the big endgame tables they had constructed. (...) > >Are you sure that Tinsley meant "better" or better? What is the performance of >the machine if it can use the _perfect_ tables? What has it to do with playing >checkers? Didn't Tinsley assume with all the rights in the World, that he was >still the best player? Nope. In fact he resigned his official title so that he could play Chinook in a man vs machine match. And he was quite clear on the "better" issue. No doubt in his mind whatsoever, any more than he doubted that Cray Blitz could mount his head on the den wall if it wanted to (in chess). :) The most impressive thing about Tinsley, besides his incredible reign as WC, was his basic honesty and lack of arrogance... > >Tables for endgames, at least in chess, had been calculated to the perfect end. >BTW what is the specific achievement of a programmer, having a finite room of >data, having access to a super computer, having a few months of computer time >free for each round? What is the sense to compare such a perfect automat with a >human genius? Since you were part of the branch as such, what gave you the >scientifical kick out of it? I mean could we compare it with the creation of a >logarithm table we all had back in school? Where is the creative element? And >finally the same question as last year - what is the kick to let a machine >participate with such help in human tournaments? The last question just to have >it complete the collection. No nitpick meant, honestly. > >Rolf Tueschen I don't think there is any intent to "compare" a program using endgame tables to a human, calculating on his own, and drawing any conclusions whatsoever, other than "which is the stronger player, period." Man/Axe were soundly beaten by the chainsaw. Man/horse were soundly beaten by the automobile. Yet no one seriously considers the automobile to be superior to the horse in any type of "equal" comparison because they can't be compared.
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