Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 04:11:47 09/12/02
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On September 11, 2002 at 21:10:31, martin fierz wrote: >On September 11, 2002 at 09:02:32, Ed Schröder wrote: > > >>Well, Thorsten achieved something remarkable tuning the Rebel parameters, both >>his versions perform significant better than the default setting. So far I have, >> >>TC-051 : 51-35 59.2% (+55 elo) >>TC-056 : 43-34 55.8% (+30 elo) >> >>Both matches are still in progress but I think the pattern is set. >> >>Well done Thorsten. >> >>Ed > >hi ed, > >thanks for the results :-) >it's so easy... i asked thorsten how many games he plays, and i got no answers, >only insults. when all i wanted were numbers like these here, which show that he >is "on to something". i assume this result is against all kinds of other >engines, right? Hola Martin, Thorsten and I since day one differ on the subject "how to estimate the strength of an engine". In general I believe that producing a high volume of games against other engines is the best way to do it. However I don't think that such a system is conclusive. Take the SSDF list, it provides a sorted list of engines in a certain environment: 2 PC's, quality of auto232 software, quality of opening books, quality of learning systems, limited number of opponents. There are other strength indications, for instance manual played tournaments such as the WC cycle. Other ingredients suddenly become important such as the quality of book preparation, often engines not listed in the SSDF list play a decisive role in the top ranking of the tournament, by expanding the number of opponents the result of manual tournaments often looks different than the ranking of the SSDF list. When is the last time Fritz or Chess Tiger won the world champion title? It's not only because of too few games played as often suggested but also about different circumstances. Next point, pitting engines against strong humans. The dominating factor of succes is of an engine is its playing style and its intelligence to avoid strategic and/or closed positions. Where in comp-comp the search depth often is the decisive factor in human-comp specific chess knowledge becomes the decisive factor, we have seen many cases from the past. Add-up the attractiveness of an engine. For many especially here at CCC this issue has a lower value, numbers seem to rule, attractiveness and playing style comes second or third. Not everybody agrees on that. For me all these items count as a whole. I tend to give all these aspects priorites. Bottom line: I think everybody does the same only the outcome of the priorities for everybody is different, hence stormy discussions are our part. Shalom. Ed >aloha > martin
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