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Subject: Re: AMD new processors

Author: Aaron Gordon

Date: 06:25:17 10/01/02

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On October 01, 2002 at 07:54:15, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On September 30, 2002 at 09:09:12, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>
>>On September 30, 2002 at 04:11:57, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On September 30, 2002 at 01:43:52, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 00:21:12, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 00:05:40, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I got the annoucement in August that the 2600s would be coming out soon.  It is
>>>>>>now September and they are barely rolling out.  (As in, several vendors who are
>>>>>>selling them don't actually have them yet.)  AMD is horrible about this.
>>>>>>Announce a chip, and 3 months later it hits the streets.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, it's a paper launch, and most every company does it at some point or
>>>>>another.  Does AMD do it more than most?  I can't answer, because I don't keep
>>>>>track of those things.
>>>>
>>>>Intel does most of the paper launches. I the 2600+ is the only time I've seen
>>>>AMD try that.
>>>
>>>I remember a lot of other launches. The K7 was announced 2.5 years before
>>>it was on the market. specs were posted 1.5 years before it was on the
>>>market and then it still wasn't there. Now you can cry about intel delaying
>>>the K7 by some 'blackmail' (i do not know how to call it otherwise as
>>>my english is not too well; they didn't want to deliver their intel chipsets
>>>to mainboard manufacturers who wanted to make K7 motherboards and 90+% of
>>>their sales were intel boards at that moment, so they actually needed them
>>>bigtime). You can cry about other things too, but both manufacturers are
>>>already drumming years ahead about new things.
>>>
>>>My own drumming about a diep windows version is completely amateuristic
>>>compared to their drumming up to 7 years ahead.
>>
>>Just because they post specs doesn't mean they're going to release it soon
>>after. Only when they announce that they're going to release it should you start
>>the clock. :)
>
>Without jokes, i only get serious about a new processor when i receive
>the first benchmark of DIEP at it. That's usually 6 months to a year
>ahead of market introduction.
>
>And that's pretty well needed, because if such a processor is going to
>be the new standard, then it's not really stupid to take loads of time
>to rewrite a part of the engine such that it works better at it :)
>
>>They posted the specs and THEN announced it. Not the other way
>>around. Hammer specs have been around for a LONG time now. Yeah, they did say
>>they were going to support up to 8 cpus for the K7's and yes we haven't seen
>>those. Most likely because of market demand.
>
>Most likely because they didn't get it to work. I have a dual k7 and i'm
>very happy about it, but i always have the impression it's a very instable
>system compared to for example a dual P3.
>
>You simply don't want to know how many reboots i need, killing of explorer,
>reinstalls of windows, etcetera.
>
>My dual P3 i installed the same software and same OS/servicepack like at
>this machine and the dual P3 is completely working without problems.
>
>Then there is other problems for AMD to get processors stable to run SMP.
>
>We have already up to 300Mhz higher clocked new XPs, than there is MPs.
>
>I'm not saying intel is a hair better here with the P4. Not at all. By
>keeping L1 caches small at it, they manage of course to clock it that
>high.
>
>But even if you clock a P4 to 3.5Ghz, then still the same 'unstable' AMD
>is way faster.
>
>I wonder how 'stable' that hammer is.
>
>Producing 1 such a cpu doesn't mean they can produce it cheap for everyone.
>
>So i wait till i have more reliable results on the hammer for DIEP.
>Basically i lack having a cross compiler for it.
>
>>I have seen dual/quad opterons
>>though so at least there is SOME hope. Slate is probably right, we probably
>>won't see the 2800+ for another month. Same for Intel's P4-3GHz. Probably will
>>see that released in December (but it's being announced today or sometime soon).
>
>1 month is easy waiting for. but 1 year...

I'm not sure what you're doing wrong but I've had/seen NO problems as far as
stability goes with ANY of my AMD systems. I have a feeling most people in here
will tell you aside from the general Windows bs that dual AMD's are just as
stable.



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